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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ThirdWizard" data-source="post: 3665723" data-attributes="member: 12037">I'm not experienced with wargames, but I assume the main point is not to control a character or characters, but to play through a single scenario. Note that above I did say that if you start calling your character "Bob" you're now playing a roleplaying game.But, the main difference is going to be the intent of the game. You can use a wargame to roleplay, but you aren't using it as intended, therefore it isn't a roleplaying game. Assuming an actual role where  you start to think about yourself as a war leader, ordering men on the battlefield and such, then I would assume its moved into the realm of roleplaying game, even if it is still a competition between players with no GM.Money and property aren't your character's stats. Note above my point about how God of War and Ninja Gaiden don't qualify even though equipment has stats. The character needs stats which are used in some way to determine challenges. This can be as simple as a free form list of what the PC is good at to a codified skill system.The stats have to be intrinsic to the character for a very good reason, because many games have some kind of numbers that are tracked to determine outcomes. But, because in a roleplaying game you're taking over a persona, there being some kind of rules regarding that persona is important, which take the form of stats. Can your character do X is answered based on these rules.It also isn't, again, the intent of the game to roleplay.You aren't taking the role of those pieces any more than in backgammon you're taking the role of little disks or in poker you're taking the roll of kings, queens, and numbers. There is a very different thing in saying "I am a bishop" and "I move my bishop."Hope that clarifies things a bit.So now that I've attempted to clarify it.A little bit about the simulation of a simulation thing. There is a game out there which, I think, is considered a simulation of RPGs: Munchkin. Note that it can probably qualify by my rules above. Why don't I consider it an RPG? Because it is quite explicitly a simulation or parody of roleplaying games. In fact, in this game, you are pretending to play pretend. I don't see anything like this in video gaming, and that's what I would consider the simulation ala Madden football example.</blockquote>

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