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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jdrakeh" data-source="post: 2672142" data-attributes="member: 13892">Good thing I never said that, then - what I said is that is what it does by default. The ad copy says so, the foreword says so, the press releases for the product say so. So why do you absolutely insist that this isn't the case? Everybody's lying except you? Is that it? Bad Axe games doesn't know what they designed their own game to do? All of that ad copy is just a heap o' lies, is it?Because I said that Grim Tales was a pulp game, which by definition and according to its own design goals and ad copy, it is. You immediately replied with a 'No it isn't! That's dumb!' post. I find it odd that you're complaining about somebody else taking up a tone of condescension in response to this clearly meritless claim, since you're the one that started out on that foot (in a different thread, no less). You were the first person to take the 'You're wrong and misinformed!' stance in this thread. All I did was mention that I dug GT for what it was, and you took it upon yourself to tell me that I was wrong. I (and another poster, to boot) were able to turn the tables by backing up my position with actual facts. SHOCKING! So... what facts can you offer to support your position? None? Well, that's a shame. The lessson here is that you shouldn't call people out by attacking their position if they can defend it - especially if/when you can't defend your own position. Yes, and what a story it is - Grim Tales is not a pulp RPG, despite the fact that it says so on the cover, on the publisher's web site, and in the foreword. Several times. As cited verbatim by another poster further up the thread. Something you oddly keep failing to address. If you ignore these facts long enough... they'll still be there!You specifically said that pulp couldn't be grim and gritty and insist that Grim Tales isn't a pulp RPG, so you didn't have to spell it out - you make it very clear that, according to you,  Grim Tales isn't inherently pulp (again, despite the fact that it says so I don't know how many dozens of times in the body of said work) and that you believe pulp can't be gritty. Both assertions that have been conclusively disproven on this thread. You want to know why I jumped you? Because you specifically called me out by name in two different threads, claiming that I was wrong to call GT a pulp RPG. You know, despite the fact that it is - by the direct admission of the designers, the publisher, and millions of English-speaking authors the world over. If you want to redefine the English language, great - just remember that your definition isn't the one used by the rest of the world. I'm really, truly, sorry that our debate had to end like this. As I said further up the thread (in a post that I guess you didn't read), my intent wasn't to attack you, but to defend my position while pointing to factual evidence that your own position was wrong. You, know - 'cause you took the time to declare otherwise and call me out (even going so far as to drag the argument over from another thread). You might think I'm a giant !@#hole because of this thread, and that's too bad. As I stated earlier, I merely have a real low tolerance for people who have no idea what they're talking about deliberately inciting an argument on the grounds that they know what they're talking about. Here's the deal...I respect that you like Grim Tales, but you're ignoring a lot of written claimers penned by the authors and designers themselves, as well as more than 80 years of established literary history in order to support your assertions that pulp can't be gritty, and therefore, Grim Tales isn't pulp. All without producing any evidence to support your claims. Telling somebody they're wrong when lots of evidence to the contrary exists, and  simultaneously failing to produce any evidence to suggest otherwise is bad form. Really bad form. Bad form that people like myself (who actually can back up their claims) are likely to respond somewhat critically to.If you take nothing else away from this thread except for a severe dislike of me, you should at least consider that last bit. It will serve you well in the future, should you choose to apply it.</blockquote>

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