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<blockquote data-quote="Zombie_Babies" data-source="post: 6217469" data-attributes="member: 6750039"><p>Yes, but it's also a largely avoidable thing. I'm not attempting to compare racism and internet morons, either. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If one truly desires a place of civil discourse then one should probably not advise assuming the worst - practical or not. One of the sacrifices civility requires is that those expecting it must also display it. If one's first interaction is to be branded a jerkwad for something they said in jest and to have that label placed on them because of an assumption that was made about them then it's hard to see why they'd believe that the place in question was one where civility was truly the goal, no?</p><p></p><p>Basically, I understand the reason to assume the worst of people. What the people that do assume the worst of people need to understand is that that assumption says quite a bit about them, too, and that what it says is most certainly not 'I'm all about civil discourse'. </p><p></p><p>Oh, one more thing: When you assume the worst and the person you make that assumption about wasn't intending the worst you place upon them a certain expectation. That label begins to define them and, after some time struggling against a stigma they didn't earn, it's not uncommon for them to become what you said they were. You really can create your own monsters.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh, I would never suggest you can expect people to take things the same way. What I think you can expect - or should be able to, at least - in a place of civil discourse is to not have people immediately assume the worst. </p><p></p><p>And people do get to think what they want. Unfortunately what I've seen so far has indicated that they tend to think something, refuse to verify their assumption and then put you on ignore. Not ... civil. At all.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So now since some people are racist everyone has to be racist? Can't you see how that's unfair to that kid? I guess it doesn't matter, though. He's just some scumbag raised by scumbags ... that you never met.</p><p></p><p>Part of the problems we see today, IMO, are that people take every damned thing - especially about themselves - waaaay the bleep too seriously. We all need to get over ourselves. We'd all be a lot happier if we did. Think about it: Some kid says something dumb (again, the entire premise of a massively popular television show) and there's actual protests about it. Actual feet in the street over it. Seriously. People are demanding another man be fired over this. Something stupid a kid said. And they didn't stop there, did they? They also march with pictures comparing the man who's show the joke aired on to <em>Adolph Bleeping Hitler</em>. Nobody's complaining about that, though. Nobody has a problem withthat <em>actual defamation</em>, though. Meh, get over yourselves - everyone. Me too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zombie_Babies, post: 6217469, member: 6750039"] Yes, but it's also a largely avoidable thing. I'm not attempting to compare racism and internet morons, either. If one truly desires a place of civil discourse then one should probably not advise assuming the worst - practical or not. One of the sacrifices civility requires is that those expecting it must also display it. If one's first interaction is to be branded a jerkwad for something they said in jest and to have that label placed on them because of an assumption that was made about them then it's hard to see why they'd believe that the place in question was one where civility was truly the goal, no? Basically, I understand the reason to assume the worst of people. What the people that do assume the worst of people need to understand is that that assumption says quite a bit about them, too, and that what it says is most certainly not 'I'm all about civil discourse'. Oh, one more thing: When you assume the worst and the person you make that assumption about wasn't intending the worst you place upon them a certain expectation. That label begins to define them and, after some time struggling against a stigma they didn't earn, it's not uncommon for them to become what you said they were. You really can create your own monsters. Oh, I would never suggest you can expect people to take things the same way. What I think you can expect - or should be able to, at least - in a place of civil discourse is to not have people immediately assume the worst. And people do get to think what they want. Unfortunately what I've seen so far has indicated that they tend to think something, refuse to verify their assumption and then put you on ignore. Not ... civil. At all. So now since some people are racist everyone has to be racist? Can't you see how that's unfair to that kid? I guess it doesn't matter, though. He's just some scumbag raised by scumbags ... that you never met. Part of the problems we see today, IMO, are that people take every damned thing - especially about themselves - waaaay the bleep too seriously. We all need to get over ourselves. We'd all be a lot happier if we did. Think about it: Some kid says something dumb (again, the entire premise of a massively popular television show) and there's actual protests about it. Actual feet in the street over it. Seriously. People are demanding another man be fired over this. Something stupid a kid said. And they didn't stop there, did they? They also march with pictures comparing the man who's show the joke aired on to [I]Adolph Bleeping Hitler[/I]. Nobody's complaining about that, though. Nobody has a problem withthat [I]actual defamation[/I], though. Meh, get over yourselves - everyone. Me too. [/QUOTE]
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