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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Iron_Chef" data-source="post: 1298072" data-attributes="member: 4530"><p>It's not that I need to feel empathy for the villain... I just like to see him, know his name, understand his motivations and get some scenes with him doing evil things or interacting with the heroes in more than just a fight scene. We get that with Saruman in Fellowship and Two Towers, though he wimps out when the Ents show up and hides in his Tower! Not much of a badass there. Any D&D wizard would have started lobbing fireballs at that point, then teleported away if it still looked grim.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />   With Sauron, we see him in humanoid form looking all super cool in the prologue to Fellowship, then all we get is a big dumb eyeball that can't do anything or go anywhere, and has maybe two lines of dialogue over three movies! Hard to get interested in Sauron the Eye. I want to hear about ambulatory, humanoid Sauron. Giant magic eyeballs falling out of towers just don't do much for me. I'd much rather see Thoth-Amon about to sacrifice a pretty slave girl on an altar to dark gods with Conan busting in and cleaving off bad guy heads left and right, but that's me. I understand Tolkien's mythic flavor/allegory and while I enjoy it somewhat, I prefer the pure pulp action of Howard, or the gritty urban decay of Lieber or Asprin. Heck, even John Norman's GOR books!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>

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