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<blockquote data-quote="Hawken" data-source="post: 4549168" data-attributes="member: 23619"><p>Yes. The other two are different areas, but the subject is still the same; magical knowledge. </p><p></p><p>It opposes Intimidation/Bluff like whether someone flinches when a person <em>pretends</em> to throw a punch at someone. They either recognize the deception for what it is or not. It could be a matter of determination not to be swayed, focus on the surroundings--Concentration.</p><p></p><p>The other reason for this use of the skill is purely game mechanics. Skills checks should be just that; skills being checked either against a DC or another skill. Level checks and BABs shouldn't be involved since they cannot or do not scale at the same rate as skills and are outside the skill mechanic already. </p><p></p><p>That sounds something like a reputations; I think either SW d20 or SWSE has a mechanic for that. You should take a look. I think that handles what you are looking for with that.</p><p></p><p>Sleight of Hand is based on misdirection not observation. Spot is not the right skill to oppose this to begin with. Think about the 3 card monty game. While the three cards are being shuffled, you're not not using Spot, you are, but its a question of whether your ability to concentrate and remain focused on which card the ace. If your Concentration is good enough, you remain focused and know which card is the ace or if the trickster tries to replace it with another card. </p><p></p><p>Same with pickpocketing. Your Spot skill sees the rogue bumping into you, but its your skill at Concentration that decides whether you are paying attention to the bump at your shoulder, or to the sudden lightness at your belt!</p><p></p><p>Disguise is much the same way. It is about deception, misdirection, assumption. You are already Spotting someone when you look at them. Its whether you are Concentrating enough on the smaller details--or the overall picture--to see through the deception aimed at making you assume you're seeing someone else.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hawken, post: 4549168, member: 23619"] Yes. The other two are different areas, but the subject is still the same; magical knowledge. It opposes Intimidation/Bluff like whether someone flinches when a person [i]pretends[/i] to throw a punch at someone. They either recognize the deception for what it is or not. It could be a matter of determination not to be swayed, focus on the surroundings--Concentration. The other reason for this use of the skill is purely game mechanics. Skills checks should be just that; skills being checked either against a DC or another skill. Level checks and BABs shouldn't be involved since they cannot or do not scale at the same rate as skills and are outside the skill mechanic already. That sounds something like a reputations; I think either SW d20 or SWSE has a mechanic for that. You should take a look. I think that handles what you are looking for with that. Sleight of Hand is based on misdirection not observation. Spot is not the right skill to oppose this to begin with. Think about the 3 card monty game. While the three cards are being shuffled, you're not not using Spot, you are, but its a question of whether your ability to concentrate and remain focused on which card the ace. If your Concentration is good enough, you remain focused and know which card is the ace or if the trickster tries to replace it with another card. Same with pickpocketing. Your Spot skill sees the rogue bumping into you, but its your skill at Concentration that decides whether you are paying attention to the bump at your shoulder, or to the sudden lightness at your belt! Disguise is much the same way. It is about deception, misdirection, assumption. You are already Spotting someone when you look at them. Its whether you are Concentrating enough on the smaller details--or the overall picture--to see through the deception aimed at making you assume you're seeing someone else. [/QUOTE]
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