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<blockquote data-quote="BSF" data-source="post: 1432521" data-attributes="member: 13098"><p>By the rules, you are correct. However, house rules trump the rules as written. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>OK, so you want to argue against the house rule. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>By this wording, you really cannot counterspell at all since interrupting with a readied action is the condition which makes counterspell work. To house rule this, you need to make a bunch of conditional statements on how readied actions work for spells. Without the conditionals, it breaks down to you cannot interrupt a spell with another spell. With conditionals, you can only interrupt a spell with a dispel magic used as a counterspell, or with a readied action to use the same spell to counterspell, or you cannot use a spell to interrupt another spell. The language starts to get a bit silly.</p><p></p><p>In the end, it really isn't that big a deal to have damage dealing spells interrupting spells and forcing a concentration check. A fighter standing in front of the spellcaster can still interrupt with a sword. An archer could ready an attack with his bow. The invisible rogue could still throw a dagger from 25' away for a sneak attack to interrupt the spell. Your DM needs to design opponents that take these tactics into consideration, is it really necessary to prevent other spellcasters, that have readied a damage dealing spell in the event that the enemy casts a spell, from doing the same? </p><p></p><p>Remember that using a readied action isn't "I will ready a counterspell, or a dispel, or a magic missile in case the BBEG casts a spell." It is "I ready a counterspell if the BBEG casts a spell." Or, "I ready a magic missile if the BBEG casts a spell." This doesn't preclude the BBEG seeking cover, drinking a potion, using a wand, etc. Readied actions are useful only as responsive tactics to a predicted course of action. </p><p></p><p>To me, it sounds like you have caught the DM a little off-guard and his initial reaction might need to be rethought. Changing tactics around, and using the PC's tactics against them once in a while goes a long way toward reducing the concerns of a magic missile interruption on a spell. It is still a good tactic, when it works, but it is not that overpowering.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BSF, post: 1432521, member: 13098"] By the rules, you are correct. However, house rules trump the rules as written. :) OK, so you want to argue against the house rule. By this wording, you really cannot counterspell at all since interrupting with a readied action is the condition which makes counterspell work. To house rule this, you need to make a bunch of conditional statements on how readied actions work for spells. Without the conditionals, it breaks down to you cannot interrupt a spell with another spell. With conditionals, you can only interrupt a spell with a dispel magic used as a counterspell, or with a readied action to use the same spell to counterspell, or you cannot use a spell to interrupt another spell. The language starts to get a bit silly. In the end, it really isn't that big a deal to have damage dealing spells interrupting spells and forcing a concentration check. A fighter standing in front of the spellcaster can still interrupt with a sword. An archer could ready an attack with his bow. The invisible rogue could still throw a dagger from 25' away for a sneak attack to interrupt the spell. Your DM needs to design opponents that take these tactics into consideration, is it really necessary to prevent other spellcasters, that have readied a damage dealing spell in the event that the enemy casts a spell, from doing the same? Remember that using a readied action isn't "I will ready a counterspell, or a dispel, or a magic missile in case the BBEG casts a spell." It is "I ready a counterspell if the BBEG casts a spell." Or, "I ready a magic missile if the BBEG casts a spell." This doesn't preclude the BBEG seeking cover, drinking a potion, using a wand, etc. Readied actions are useful only as responsive tactics to a predicted course of action. To me, it sounds like you have caught the DM a little off-guard and his initial reaction might need to be rethought. Changing tactics around, and using the PC's tactics against them once in a while goes a long way toward reducing the concerns of a magic missile interruption on a spell. It is still a good tactic, when it works, but it is not that overpowering. [/QUOTE]
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