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<blockquote data-quote="Uller" data-source="post: 6706780" data-attributes="member: 413">Have I said anything that would lead someone to think I don't understand this?&nbsp; If so, I apologize...I understand both concepts quite well.I'm not sure I understand.&nbsp; Do you mean I am giving conditional disadvantage to the targets of the most powerful effects in the game? No.&nbsp; I'm not.&nbsp; The target gets to save as normal.&nbsp; If it succeeds, it gets to act AND it knows it can prevent a second attempt by disrupting concentration.&nbsp; Can concentration be mitigated?&nbsp; Sure.&nbsp; That's called tactics and is what makes combat interesting.&nbsp; What is more interest?&nbsp; The party trying to help the wizard maintain concentration for a round while the Balor tries to break it or just saying &quot;oh well...it saved...cast a new spell next time&quot;?Divination has what to do with this? Maybe I'm missing something regarding the Divination spell...Sorry be flippant here but really?&nbsp; Do you really think I don't know that missing a part of the game?&nbsp; Thanks for pointing that out.&nbsp; I hadn't noticed.Is that always true?&nbsp; A wizard with 10 or 15 spell slots left in a very deadly encounter might think a bit differently.&nbsp; I have two casters that have tried these spells, got bitten too many times by them doing _nothing_ and have chosen spells that are more of a sure thing.&nbsp; It's boring.&nbsp; If you have some suggestions of how I can make them a bit more useful I'd appreciate it.&nbsp; In the meantime, the only characters in my game that cast spells like slow or hypnotic patter are NPCs.&nbsp; My players prefer Fireball, Hunger of Hadar and the like.&nbsp; Which is fine.&nbsp; I just want to expand their options.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Uller, post: 6706780, member: 413"] Have I said anything that would lead someone to think I don't understand this? If so, I apologize...I understand both concepts quite well. I'm not sure I understand. Do you mean I am giving conditional disadvantage to the targets of the most powerful effects in the game? No. I'm not. The target gets to save as normal. If it succeeds, it gets to act AND it knows it can prevent a second attempt by disrupting concentration. Can concentration be mitigated? Sure. That's called tactics and is what makes combat interesting. What is more interest? The party trying to help the wizard maintain concentration for a round while the Balor tries to break it or just saying "oh well...it saved...cast a new spell next time"? Divination has what to do with this? Maybe I'm missing something regarding the Divination spell...Sorry be flippant here but really? Do you really think I don't know that missing a part of the game? Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't noticed. Is that always true? A wizard with 10 or 15 spell slots left in a very deadly encounter might think a bit differently. I have two casters that have tried these spells, got bitten too many times by them doing _nothing_ and have chosen spells that are more of a sure thing. It's boring. If you have some suggestions of how I can make them a bit more useful I'd appreciate it. In the meantime, the only characters in my game that cast spells like slow or hypnotic patter are NPCs. My players prefer Fireball, Hunger of Hadar and the like. Which is fine. I just want to expand their options. [/QUOTE]

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