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<blockquote data-quote="Herobizkit" data-source="post: 3024275" data-attributes="member: 36150">Thanks for your respons, StreamOfTheSky.&nbsp; I'll see if I can clarify.As you know, Gestalt characters normally advance in like levels and take the best options of both classes.&nbsp; A Fighter-1/Wizard-1 would have Good Fort and Will saves (Fighter has good Fort save, Wizard has good Will), a +1 BAB (the better between the two), martial weapon and armor proficiency (also better proficiencies from warrior), and a bonus feat, as well as the wizard spells and the free Scribe Scroll feat.Going by my concept and using the same example, once the same character gets to Fighter 2, he chooses Wizard-1 as his sub-class.&nbsp; For reaching level 2, his BAB increases by +1, his Fort save increases by 1, and he gains a new feat.&nbsp; Now, for adding on the Wizard class, he also gains +2 to his Will save, access to Wizard spells and the Scribe Scroll feat.Continuing the trend, when our Fighter-4 gains Wizard-2, he'll have earned another point to his Will save and more Wizard spells in addition to all his regular Fighter goodies.&nbsp; The sub-job's purpose is to enhance the main job, but by definition would not be equal to the main job as a regular Gestalt would be.As for &quot;Job Orbs&quot;, it's essentially handing out free levels in the same manner as the above example, but all at once.&nbsp; Say you're playing a Fighter-4, and you find a &quot;Job Orb&quot; of a Wizard-2.&nbsp; Your base level is twice the level of the Orb, so you can equip it.&nbsp; (If you had a Wizard-4 orb, you couldn't equip it unitl you got a Character level of 8).&nbsp; You now gain all the abilities of a Wizard-2; +1 BAB, +3 Will save, and a (most likely pre-set) list of spells you can now cast, in addition to the Scribe Scroll feat.&nbsp; This bonus does not change as you increase in level (so the Orb is always a Wizard-2 Orb, unless the DM wants to use Levelling Items rules).&nbsp; In a number of ways, it's very similar to the old 1e Hat of Difference.Hope that clears it up a little.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Herobizkit, post: 3024275, member: 36150"] Thanks for your respons, StreamOfTheSky. I'll see if I can clarify. As you know, Gestalt characters normally advance in like levels and take the best options of both classes. A Fighter-1/Wizard-1 would have Good Fort and Will saves (Fighter has good Fort save, Wizard has good Will), a +1 BAB (the better between the two), martial weapon and armor proficiency (also better proficiencies from warrior), and a bonus feat, as well as the wizard spells and the free Scribe Scroll feat. Going by my concept and using the same example, once the same character gets to Fighter 2, he chooses Wizard-1 as his sub-class. For reaching level 2, his BAB increases by +1, his Fort save increases by 1, and he gains a new feat. Now, for adding on the Wizard class, he also gains +2 to his Will save, access to Wizard spells and the Scribe Scroll feat. Continuing the trend, when our Fighter-4 gains Wizard-2, he'll have earned another point to his Will save and more Wizard spells in addition to all his regular Fighter goodies. The sub-job's purpose is to enhance the main job, but by definition would not be equal to the main job as a regular Gestalt would be. As for "Job Orbs", it's essentially handing out free levels in the same manner as the above example, but all at once. Say you're playing a Fighter-4, and you find a "Job Orb" of a Wizard-2. Your base level is twice the level of the Orb, so you can equip it. (If you had a Wizard-4 orb, you couldn't equip it unitl you got a Character level of 8). You now gain all the abilities of a Wizard-2; +1 BAB, +3 Will save, and a (most likely pre-set) list of spells you can now cast, in addition to the Scribe Scroll feat. This bonus does not change as you increase in level (so the Orb is always a Wizard-2 Orb, unless the DM wants to use Levelling Items rules). In a number of ways, it's very similar to the old 1e Hat of Difference. Hope that clears it up a little. [/QUOTE]

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