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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 4636673" data-attributes="member: 2067">Eh. The game, I think, has room to accommodate both the &quot;chivalric knight&quot; archetype and the &quot;holy warrior&quot; archetype.I just thing the cleric works best as the latter (rather than as a god-wizard) and some other class....might as well call it paladin...works best as the former.Speaking to 4e, turn the cleric into a Defender, nix the &quot;Leader&quot; role (in exchange for every class having &quot;leaderlike&quot; powers), and have them mix up the Paladin's junk, and I think I'd be happier. A paladin's niche might not be relevant to a lot of games, so maybe it can be saved for a &quot;exalted deeds&quot;-style supplement, where it focuses perhaps on mounted combat or &quot;blessed&quot; abilities (or as a specific Paragon Path for a Fighter or Cleric). Speaking to 3e, just give it some luv -- more abilities, more often, less suck, and it does a decent job of being that exalted warrior of chivalric pride as-is.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 4636673, member: 2067"] Eh. The game, I think, has room to accommodate both the "chivalric knight" archetype and the "holy warrior" archetype. I just thing the [B]cleric[/B] works best as the latter (rather than as a god-wizard) and some other class....might as well call it [B]paladin[/B]...works best as the former. Speaking to 4e, turn the cleric into a Defender, nix the "Leader" role (in exchange for every class having "leaderlike" powers), and have them mix up the Paladin's junk, and I think I'd be happier. A paladin's niche might not be relevant to a lot of games, so maybe it can be saved for a "exalted deeds"-style supplement, where it focuses perhaps on mounted combat or "blessed" abilities (or as a specific Paragon Path for a Fighter or Cleric). Speaking to 3e, just give it some luv -- more abilities, more often, less suck, and it does a decent job of being that exalted warrior of chivalric pride as-is. [/QUOTE]

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