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<blockquote data-quote="CleverNickName" data-source="post: 5991132" data-attributes="member: 50987">So we rolled up a few characters last night, using the 2nd Playtest Packet.&nbsp; And we are concerned about ability scores...specifically, how everybody gets to start with several scores well above 15.First, you roll your scores (the 4d6 method, no less) or you use the array given.&nbsp; Then you choose a race, and add more ability score points...as many as +7 if you choose human.&nbsp; Then you choose a class, and add another ability score point.&nbsp; Results:Everyone, unanimously, rolled up a human character.The human wizard had a 20 in Intelligence, and his lowest score was 12.The human cleric had a 21 in Wisdom, and his lowest score was 13.The human fighter had a 21 in strength, and his lowest score was 9. The human rogue had a 19 in Dexterity, and his lowest score was 15.Remember, these are first level characters.&nbsp; First level.&nbsp; Twenty-one strength.&nbsp; That's three points higher than anything else in the game, including the Troll and the Ogre, and the fighter hasn't even seen a battle yet.This is just the beginning, too.&nbsp; When they reach 4th level, they get to add two more ability score points.&nbsp; That means our 4th level fighter will have a Strength of 23.&nbsp; One level lower than the Ogre, but stronger by 5 points.-----I guess I'm concerned for a couple of reasons.&nbsp; The first (and less important) reason is that it makes me feel like a Santa Claus DM: &quot;Lots of free points for everybody!&nbsp; Everybody gets to start with an 18!&nbsp; Merry Christmas!&quot; Second, and most importantly, it feels very unbalanced...first level characters are much, much stronger than the monsters they are fighting (even powerful monsters that are twice their size, like Trolls.)But who knows?&nbsp; Maybe these monsters are just first-drafts, and the final version of the Troll will have a more appropriate 40-something in Strength.&nbsp; After all, if a 1st level human can get a 21 Strength, a 7th level Troll should be at least twice that.&nbsp; Right?&nbsp; Then if so, why did they bother inflating the numbers in the first place?*sigh*&nbsp; I guess we will see in the playtest.&nbsp; Already though, my players were shocked at how much stronger, faster, smarter, etc. their first-level characters were compared to their 9th and 10th level Pathfinder characters.&nbsp; And not in a good way.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CleverNickName, post: 5991132, member: 50987"] So we rolled up a few characters last night, using the 2nd Playtest Packet. And we are concerned about ability scores...specifically, how everybody gets to start with several scores well above 15. First, you roll your scores (the 4d6 method, no less) or you use the array given. Then you choose a race, and add more ability score points...as many as +7 if you choose human. Then you choose a class, and add another ability score point. Results: Everyone, unanimously, rolled up a human character. The human wizard had a 20 in Intelligence, and his lowest score was 12. The human cleric had a 21 in Wisdom, and his lowest score was 13. The human fighter had a 21 in strength, and his lowest score was 9. The human rogue had a 19 in Dexterity, and his lowest score was 15. Remember, these are [I]first level[/I] characters. First level. Twenty-one strength. That's three points higher than anything else in the game, including the Troll and the Ogre, and the fighter hasn't even seen a battle yet. This is just the beginning, too. When they reach 4th level, they get to add two more ability score points. That means our 4th level fighter will have a Strength of 23. One level lower than the Ogre, but stronger by 5 points. ----- I guess I'm concerned for a couple of reasons. The first (and less important) reason is that it makes me feel like a Santa Claus DM: "Lots of free points for everybody! Everybody gets to start with an 18! Merry Christmas!" Second, and most importantly, it feels very unbalanced...first level characters are much, much stronger than the monsters they are fighting (even powerful monsters that are twice their size, like Trolls.) But who knows? Maybe these monsters are just first-drafts, and the final version of the Troll will have a more appropriate 40-something in Strength. After all, if a 1st level human can get a 21 Strength, a 7th level Troll should be at least twice that. Right? Then if so, why did they bother inflating the numbers in the first place? *sigh* I guess we will see in the playtest. Already though, my players were shocked at how much stronger, faster, smarter, etc. their first-level characters were compared to their 9th and 10th level Pathfinder characters. And not in a good way. [/QUOTE]

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