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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Najo" data-source="post: 3908608" data-attributes="member: 9959">Except, I don't want a group called the Golden Wyvern in my campaign nor in my wizards.Espcecially when they are going to release a campaign setting every year. How silly does it become if ALL of the groups in the core books are found in each and every setting. This is why they need to keep the fluff out of the character creation rules, because DMS can't remove them very easily. Think about it. Dark Sun - oh, there is those sneak Golden Wyvern wizards, they don't hide as well as the Veiled Alliance, but no one cares about them because of their silly name. Ravenloft - even with all of this doom and gloom, it is good to see those Golden Wyvern guys are so chipper.  Forgotten Realms - Those golden wyvern guys, didn't Elimenster start with them?Greyhawk - I think the golden wyverns are those guys who really built castle greyhawk and hide a mad god down there, right?Birthright - Wow, that is pretty odd. Who would think that the Golden Wyvern and the Golden Wyverns would have BOTH thought of the same name. Considering that the Golden Wyvern has been ruling over a dark kingdom to the east, and no one knew what he looked like until he unleashed his army last season, it is amazing that those wacky wizard guys got their club emblem spot on the nose 500 years ago. Do they realize there is only ONE Golden Wyvern, do you know if they want to join him...or are they just a fan club?Spell jammer - Wow, these golden wyvern guys get everywhere. They even have airships with their own club logos and jammer helms that run on wyvern juice!Anyrate. I think I have made my point. This is why it is plain stupid to put player chosen feats and talents tied to story into the core books. If Child of Winter from Ebberron were in there it would make no sense and only cause confusion.</blockquote>

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