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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CM" data-source="post: 5884218" data-attributes="member: 18340">I have found that this is highly player-dependent. Some players invest the time to choose the most combat-effective options for their character. This has no bearing on whether they are a "good role-player" or not. Others don't. They just build a character and have fun with it. This also has no bearing on their roleplaying skills.High-level combat in my 3.5 Age of Worms campaign usually began with both sides spending the first 30 minutes of game time casting targeted greater dispel magic on each other. That is, when the players weren't able to scry on their opponents, do 10 rounds of buff casting, then teleport in and destroy the enemies in 2-3 rounds.Sorry but f&#* that. Never going back. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/rant.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":rant:" title="Rant    :rant:" data-shortname=":rant:" />I have found that high-level 3e combat was all about researching, preparing your strategy ahead of time, entering combat and deploying that strategy. Casters would confer on what spells they had remaining, determine an optimal casting order to get the best use out of each spell, and then start casting. Meanwhile the non-casters lobbied for their favorite buffs from the casters. Sometimes I wonder if 4e really has longer combats, if you include all this prep time in 3e combat length.High-level 4e combat so far has been all about adaptation--quickly finding out what the enemy's or environment's schtick is and developing tactics to counter it while in combat. To myself and my players it is much more satisfying.</blockquote>

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