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<blockquote data-quote="Thyrdegn" data-source="post: 5886943" data-attributes="member: 36797">High level Wizards have always been a threat to any DM's well thought out campaign.&nbsp; Players are always going to come up with innovative uses for various spells that the DM did not anticipate.&nbsp; But I have also almost unraveled a campaign as a fighter before.&nbsp; A couple of well timed 20's and the main villain that was supposed to be around another 10 levels before we could take him down, fell before sword.&nbsp; There are a lot of things that can derail a campaign well before the Wizards cast their first Wish spells.&nbsp; The last campaign in which I was playing a Wizard we got well into the Epic Levels.&nbsp; My Wizard/Incantatar was 36th level and throwing out some spells as high as 14th level, but we were also facing monsters that were a challenge for us as a party.&nbsp; I ruled a small but growing kingdom dedicated to magical advancement.&nbsp; Yes, I went and wiped out an army of goblins and hobgoblins that were threatening my border.&nbsp; I rained death upon them as they had never seen before.&nbsp; But the DM knew that would happen.&nbsp; The DM just needs to anticipate that the players are going to do things that are surprising and give them opportunities to flaunt their powers in ways that are not going to derail the campaign.&nbsp; That way everybody is happy.&nbsp; That is the real point of the game, having fun.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thyrdegn, post: 5886943, member: 36797"] High level Wizards have always been a threat to any DM's well thought out campaign. Players are always going to come up with innovative uses for various spells that the DM did not anticipate. But I have also almost unraveled a campaign as a fighter before. A couple of well timed 20's and the main villain that was supposed to be around another 10 levels before we could take him down, fell before sword. There are a lot of things that can derail a campaign well before the Wizards cast their first Wish spells. The last campaign in which I was playing a Wizard we got well into the Epic Levels. My Wizard/Incantatar was 36th level and throwing out some spells as high as 14th level, but we were also facing monsters that were a challenge for us as a party. I ruled a small but growing kingdom dedicated to magical advancement. Yes, I went and wiped out an army of goblins and hobgoblins that were threatening my border. I rained death upon them as they had never seen before. But the DM knew that would happen. The DM just needs to anticipate that the players are going to do things that are surprising and give them opportunities to flaunt their powers in ways that are not going to derail the campaign. That way everybody is happy. That is the real point of the game, having fun. [/QUOTE]

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