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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 4327373" data-attributes="member: 2020">I believe you, Angrydad.  I do.  And I can see how feat chains could be used to do the things you mentioned ... it's obvious that feats could be min/maxed for such purposes.  What fixates me, as it were - one of the big reasons I might support extra feats - are two scenes from Peter Jackson's ROTK:  - Remember how Legolas was so good with the bow and other things?  (definitely a lot of feats there!)  But when Legolas confronted the Dead, and he shot at them, the only result was a wasted arrow (and, had it not been for Aragorn, a dead Legolas.)  When you are a Two or Three Trick Pony, you're in over your head against the unexpected (Legolas didn't do so good against that balrog, either.)  - Gandalf standing behind the Gate of Gondor.  Grond is breaking through.  Gandalf is speaking:  'Remember that you are soldiers of Gondor!  Whatever comes through that gate, you will stand your ground!'  When the trolls lead the assault through the gate, a sustained combat ensued.  Not a balanced encounter where a party could rest after being depleted of spells and hit points, but a sustained battle.  Perhaps extra feats would allow the party to survive such a sustained battle, or at least last a little longer in one.  (Or how about the battle in Moria, where 80 orcs and a cave troll come in to do battle.  After the party beats those foes, a THOUSAND orcs come charging after them, ala the film ...)  I know that most DMs wouldn't throw either encounter at their party.  However, I would, and I wouldn't pull any punches.  A party in my game would need the extra feats to survive such situations.  I always felt strange about the idea of the party fighting one battle, resting for a day, and going on to the next battle.  The unfought monsters are fresh and ready to fight, they hear a combat in the distance, and they're smart enough to come calling (the PCs would investigate!)</blockquote>

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