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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3842749" data-attributes="member: 2011">We've used such a system for years and the game has always been fun. Out of a few dozen players using such a system, not one has ever said that this bugged him or her. Not one.You are making assumptions about what can and cannot be fun which do not match reality in an actual game.Rolemaster has such a system and there are thousands of people who have fun playing RM as well.And, I've never seen the players pull out the big guns early on for this because they are not so stupid as to not realize that they might need them later on. A -1 penalty at verious HP levels is not a death spiral. It's an obstacle. One for players to overcome. I've used such as system for years and I've never seen it overwhelm the standard rules and create a death spiral. The math and actual game experience disagrees with your conclusions.According to your theory here, a Bless spell is a death spiral if one side casts it. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></blockquote>