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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 6581606">No he didn't actually. Nostalgia would be finding a game the most fun because that is the first one you were exposed to and you associate it with happy memories of a particular time in your life (i.e. liking monopoly because you associate it with memories of Dad and Mom taking you to a summer cabin in Maine). But liking something because it is the version you find the most fun, that also happens to be an early version of the game, isn't nostalgia. But lets put this THAC0 thing to rest. I'm one of the few people I've ever met who defends it and even I don't seriously think it is going to make a comeback. Very few people I know who are into OSR stuff use THAC0. With things like subsystems, I think the thing to keep in mind there is while there certainly is a complexity trade off, one thing you get when you have them is more control over discrete parts of the game. I say that as someone who uses a universal core mechanic in my own games. I like that one can predict how a unified system will play, but I also see the downside of that approach because it limits my options for individual areas within the game. It does reduce learning curve, but there are advantages to employing a bunch of unique subsystems. I can enjoy games that do either honestly. What I think most people are saying is not "bring back THAC0" or "restore roll under mechanics" they are saying "don't throw the baby out with the bath water". Some of these things may have use to people in their design of future games. And again, I was someone who picked up 2E again with the intent of having a good laugh. I honestly just assumed things were so much better now and so much worse before based on my memories of playing the game. Some of my players still felt that way after playing. Personally I was a bit humbled and realized you can learn a good deal going back. Doesn't make 2E perfect. Doesn't make 1E perfect. Doesn't mean there is never a better way.</blockquote>

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