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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 6581749">If it is helpful at all, one of my early negative reactions to 4E was due to what I call the Phantasy Star Effect. This is something that occurred for me a bit in 3E also, but basically it is the sense of everything around the characters shifting to a tactical grid when combat occurs (the way things shift from the exploration screen in Phantasy Star to the combat screen). I'm sure plenty of people didn't have this reaction, but for me it was the fact that it reminded me of games like this that is what troubled me initially. There is more to my response than that of course, and I don't think the game itself presents certain kinds of story lines from emerging. For me I definitely found myself thinking of video games like this when I played. I think in the end, it is pretty hard to pinpoint why you don't like something though. All I can do is tell people I gave it several tries. I attempted to get into 4E on multiple occasions, but for me it just wasn't happening. I guess what I find a bit frustrating about threads like this is that if feels like folks are still trying to convert me to the system. If it works for others, if others like it, that is totally cool. My business partner played 4E (he also was really into OSR and his favorite edition was 1E) and he never had any big issues with the game (there were a couple of things that annoyed him, like the Warlord healing, but they were problems he considered minor and not unlike issues he had with other editions).</blockquote>

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