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Confirm or Deny: D&D4e would be going strong had it not been titled D&D
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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6585219" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>First of all, it's a very unpopular game, RPGs are very tiny hobby. D&D is the biggest paramecium in a stagnant mud-puddle. That's not mocking, that's perspective. Secondly, the edition war demonstrated that there's tremendous resistance to changing the status quo that keeps the hobby small and unwelcoming. Pointing that out is a small first step to changing it. Probably futile, but it's not like the effort will kill me.</p><p></p><p> [MENTION=85870]innerdude[/MENTION] was wondering what it was about 4e that made it's proponents so 'passionate' about it. It wasn't anything about the game, itself, - it was the furor with which it was attacked, that provoked such responses. Bedrockgames backed that conclusion up when he noted the edition war got rolling before much at all was known about what 4e would be like. Also pretty conclusive.</p><p></p><p>'War' is a dirt-common metaphor in English.</p><p></p><p> They're fans. Hobbyists. The same kinds of emotions are involved, no matter how trivial the actual stakes.</p><p></p><p> Nod. I was suspicious of WotC rolling out another core set so soon, myself. It wasn't until I'd seen the PH that I started to notice how far off the mark a lot of the criticisms were. </p><p></p><p> There were criticism of 3.0 and 3.5 ongoing at the time, and there are, again, about 5e. None rose (or sank) to the level of the edition war, though. It wasn't just incorporated into the ongoing dialogue (or noise) surrounding the hobby. Outside the context of the edition war, someone makes some invalid or contrived criticism, it gets ripped apart, and he slinks off. In contrast, the edition war was relentless.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6585219, member: 996"] First of all, it's a very unpopular game, RPGs are very tiny hobby. D&D is the biggest paramecium in a stagnant mud-puddle. That's not mocking, that's perspective. Secondly, the edition war demonstrated that there's tremendous resistance to changing the status quo that keeps the hobby small and unwelcoming. Pointing that out is a small first step to changing it. Probably futile, but it's not like the effort will kill me. [MENTION=85870]innerdude[/MENTION] was wondering what it was about 4e that made it's proponents so 'passionate' about it. It wasn't anything about the game, itself, - it was the furor with which it was attacked, that provoked such responses. Bedrockgames backed that conclusion up when he noted the edition war got rolling before much at all was known about what 4e would be like. Also pretty conclusive. 'War' is a dirt-common metaphor in English. They're fans. Hobbyists. The same kinds of emotions are involved, no matter how trivial the actual stakes. Nod. I was suspicious of WotC rolling out another core set so soon, myself. It wasn't until I'd seen the PH that I started to notice how far off the mark a lot of the criticisms were. There were criticism of 3.0 and 3.5 ongoing at the time, and there are, again, about 5e. None rose (or sank) to the level of the edition war, though. It wasn't just incorporated into the ongoing dialogue (or noise) surrounding the hobby. Outside the context of the edition war, someone makes some invalid or contrived criticism, it gets ripped apart, and he slinks off. In contrast, the edition war was relentless. [/QUOTE]
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