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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6595848" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>There is so much vitriol in Erechel's post it's not worth responding in detail. But a few highlights:</p><p></p><p>4e is the first edition of D&D to fully support the quintessential STR/CHA archetype (the Tolkien-esque battle captain) without having to be an overtly religious, magical figure: the warlord. </p><p></p><p>Even within the fighter class you are thinking too narrowly about the range of feasible builds. The 29th level fighter PC in my game has only one stat above 20 - Strength - and is a fully viable PC (probably the second-most powerful in the party, after the sorcerer whose static damage adds are +50 and whose at-will attack a burst 2).</p><p></p><p>I'm not sure what you mean by "thinking outside the box" - casting Create Water inside a creature's lungs to drown him/her with a 1st level spell? - but I've found that 4e's robust resolution system supports a much wider variety of player choices and ingame events than other versions of D&D that I've played. <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?299440-Exploration-scenarios-my-experiment-last-Sunday" target="_blank">Here</a> <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?309950-Actual-play-my-first-quot-social-only-quot-session" target="_blank">are</a> <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?330383-Underdark-adventure-with-Demons-Beholders-Elementals-and-a-Hydra" target="_blank">some</a> <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?400493-Session-Report-hijinks-in-the-Elemental-Chaos" target="_blank">links</a>.</p><p></p><p>If you play in a system which breaks as soon as the players try to push hard to have their PCs achieve things, I'm sorry to hear that. I find it's a virtue of 4e that it doesn't break - it provides support.</p><p></p><p>Yet the PCs in my game fought with hobgoblins at <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?319168-The-PCs-defeat-Calastryx-(and-get-up-to-some-other-hijinks)" target="_blank">Paragon tier</a>. (<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?324018-Wizard-PC-dies-returns-as-Invoker" target="_blank">Twice!</a>).</p><p></p><p>In Gygax's AD&D there was no mention of squares - rather, inches were the scale unit of choice!</p><p></p><p>You may have missed the rebuttal of Justin Alexander's rant at post 107 upthread.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6595848, member: 42582"] There is so much vitriol in Erechel's post it's not worth responding in detail. But a few highlights: 4e is the first edition of D&D to fully support the quintessential STR/CHA archetype (the Tolkien-esque battle captain) without having to be an overtly religious, magical figure: the warlord. Even within the fighter class you are thinking too narrowly about the range of feasible builds. The 29th level fighter PC in my game has only one stat above 20 - Strength - and is a fully viable PC (probably the second-most powerful in the party, after the sorcerer whose static damage adds are +50 and whose at-will attack a burst 2). I'm not sure what you mean by "thinking outside the box" - casting Create Water inside a creature's lungs to drown him/her with a 1st level spell? - but I've found that 4e's robust resolution system supports a much wider variety of player choices and ingame events than other versions of D&D that I've played. [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?299440-Exploration-scenarios-my-experiment-last-Sunday]Here[/url] [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?309950-Actual-play-my-first-quot-social-only-quot-session]are[/url] [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?330383-Underdark-adventure-with-Demons-Beholders-Elementals-and-a-Hydra]some[/url] [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?400493-Session-Report-hijinks-in-the-Elemental-Chaos]links[/url]. If you play in a system which breaks as soon as the players try to push hard to have their PCs achieve things, I'm sorry to hear that. I find it's a virtue of 4e that it doesn't break - it provides support. Yet the PCs in my game fought with hobgoblins at [url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?319168-The-PCs-defeat-Calastryx-(and-get-up-to-some-other-hijinks)]Paragon tier[/url]. ([url=http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?324018-Wizard-PC-dies-returns-as-Invoker]Twice![/url]). In Gygax's AD&D there was no mention of squares - rather, inches were the scale unit of choice! You may have missed the rebuttal of Justin Alexander's rant at post 107 upthread. [/QUOTE]
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