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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 6597792">Certainly we shouldn't be blinded by our dislike of something. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't look for explanations either. I mean I think I am pretty even handed in my treatment of different systems (including 4E). Some just don't appeal to me, and when they don't I find it helpful to try to understand why. Dissociative Mechanics as a concept resonates with me in a lot of cases as an explanation. This isn't like hating a cook and trying to prove all his meals are too salty, it is about realizing you don't care that much for spicy food and knowing you might want to avoid the chef's meals because he uses plenty of crushed red pepper. I think most people who have been critical of 4E here have acknowledged that it is a well designed game. And yes, we certainly could only be hearing the few people making a complaint about the guy being spicy and thinking that represents a majority. But this is a complaint I heard and hear again and again with 4E. Even when people don't specifically use the term dissociative they describe the experience of that disconnection. So I think whatever we call it, there is probably something to this as a source of frustration for many people. Perhaps dissociative mechanic is an oversimplification as a description, but I do think it is pointing to a very real thing people experienced frequently with 4E that they felt they didn't with previous editions (or didn't experience to he same degree at least). Now all that said, we of course could be totally wrong. We are all just individuals making the best judgment we can. But I don't know, maybe rather than accuse people of all kinds of bad intentions and bad reasoning, just say you disagree with their conlcusions and move on. The problem I have with how you've been proceeding in this discussion is you are adding in a moral judgment of people who say they don't like 4E because of dissociativeness that feels wholly unnecessary and provocative.</blockquote>

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