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Confirm or Deny: D&D4e would be going strong had it not been titled D&D
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<blockquote data-quote="Wicht" data-source="post: 6601341" data-attributes="member: 221"><p>Well that's not exactly true, but I see what you are saying...</p><p></p><p>The thing is, you are assuming that there cannot be any mechanic in 3e which allows the player to suddenly do something above the base, but that's not quite the case, its just the the something fantastic 3e allows you to do is defined by feats. So in the situation above, Power Attack would very much allow you to do what you wanted to do. As might Improve Critical increased the odds that you will get to do 2d10+12 damage, or with a good (PFRPG) Power Attack Critical, say 2d10+20 damage. Likewise, the sneak attack lets the rogue do more and favored enemies allows the Ranger to increase that range (along with combat feats). </p><p></p><p>So the hit points give you a goal and feats allow you to massage the odds to better achieve those goals, in 3e. </p><p></p><p>But I do understand what you are saying, I think, about your view of 4e abilities empowering the PC above and beyond what is normal, but my counter is that once you make an exploit an available ability it becomes normal, and expected. The very act of giving the ability raises the bar as to what the standards are as to what the player can do when everything works right. And once you use it the ability is taken away. Contrary, once you use a feat, you can decide whether to use it again in the next round.</p><p></p><p>But that leads me to game flavor - which is a second complaint I would have, if I was grousing about 4e, and I really try not to, because its not my game and I am happy for those that enjoy it, and someone put a lot of work into it,... but if I had to list my number 2 reason for not liking 4e as Dungeons and Dragons it is the default flavor of the game is over the top heroics, with everybody able to do really amazing things all the time. My default flavor, as noted above is a grittier, pulpish feel and 4e, from all I know about it, does not model that as well as I can with 3e (or 2e or 1e, or Basic). 4e reminds me more of Anime fantasy than Pulp Fantasy.</p><p></p><p>So Pemerton, what's your favorite flavor of fantasy?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wicht, post: 6601341, member: 221"] Well that's not exactly true, but I see what you are saying... The thing is, you are assuming that there cannot be any mechanic in 3e which allows the player to suddenly do something above the base, but that's not quite the case, its just the the something fantastic 3e allows you to do is defined by feats. So in the situation above, Power Attack would very much allow you to do what you wanted to do. As might Improve Critical increased the odds that you will get to do 2d10+12 damage, or with a good (PFRPG) Power Attack Critical, say 2d10+20 damage. Likewise, the sneak attack lets the rogue do more and favored enemies allows the Ranger to increase that range (along with combat feats). So the hit points give you a goal and feats allow you to massage the odds to better achieve those goals, in 3e. But I do understand what you are saying, I think, about your view of 4e abilities empowering the PC above and beyond what is normal, but my counter is that once you make an exploit an available ability it becomes normal, and expected. The very act of giving the ability raises the bar as to what the standards are as to what the player can do when everything works right. And once you use it the ability is taken away. Contrary, once you use a feat, you can decide whether to use it again in the next round. But that leads me to game flavor - which is a second complaint I would have, if I was grousing about 4e, and I really try not to, because its not my game and I am happy for those that enjoy it, and someone put a lot of work into it,... but if I had to list my number 2 reason for not liking 4e as Dungeons and Dragons it is the default flavor of the game is over the top heroics, with everybody able to do really amazing things all the time. My default flavor, as noted above is a grittier, pulpish feel and 4e, from all I know about it, does not model that as well as I can with 3e (or 2e or 1e, or Basic). 4e reminds me more of Anime fantasy than Pulp Fantasy. So Pemerton, what's your favorite flavor of fantasy? [/QUOTE]
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