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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6604769" data-attributes="member: 42582">I agree it's not in 3E. I think there can be approaches to AD&amp;D that approximate it, but equally there are features of AD&amp;D that get in the way, namely, the lack of player-side rationed resources that allow the players to help dictate effort and pacing.I don't think it's a coincidence that the closest I got to 4e-style in AD&amp;D was GMing Oriental Adventures (which gives all PCs at least one ki power, and also has martial arts powers available to PCs).I keep seeing this, but I don't buy it! Or maybe I'm not sure what you mean by &quot;screwy&quot;.I assume, from your posts upthread, that you don't think of Savage Worlds &quot;soaking&quot; as screwy. Hit-points-as-mojo is basically the same thing. (With some of the exceptions noted upthread - no &quot;blow through&quot; for real injury, as there is in Savage Worlds, until 0 hp is reached, which itself can be handled either the 1st ed AD&amp;D way as really dying, or the 4e metagame way as possibly dying, depending on resolution.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6604769, member: 42582"] I agree it's not in 3E. I think there can be approaches to AD&D that approximate it, but equally there are features of AD&D that get in the way, namely, the lack of player-side rationed resources that allow the players to help dictate effort and pacing. I don't think it's a coincidence that the closest I got to 4e-style in AD&D was GMing Oriental Adventures (which gives all PCs at least one ki power, and also has martial arts powers available to PCs). I keep seeing this, but I don't buy it! Or maybe I'm not sure what you mean by "screwy". I assume, from your posts upthread, that you don't think of Savage Worlds "soaking" as screwy. Hit-points-as-mojo is basically the same thing. (With some of the exceptions noted upthread - no "blow through" for real injury, as there is in Savage Worlds, until 0 hp is reached, which itself can be handled either the 1st ed AD&D way as [I]really[/I] dying, or the 4e metagame way as [I]possibly[/I] dying, depending on resolution.) [/QUOTE]

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