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Confirmed: Magic items and summoned monster stats in PHB
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<blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 4059238" data-attributes="member: 284"><p>Just as much as you have a problem with the very idea of PC's being able buy magic items out of the PHB. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I think comes down to the attitude of "My Campaign" vs "My Character".</p><p></p><p>As a DM (especially those with the "Great Storyteller" slant) the tendency is to want as much control over the elements of the campaign as possible so as to better to direct the direction and story of the campaign.</p><p></p><p>As a Player (especially those with a competitive slant) the tendency is to want as much information about and control of your characters abilities as possible. </p><p></p><p>As time has progressed and the player base has grown up and matured, the core rules of the game have leaned more and more towards the "My Character" side of things. </p><p></p><p>Obviously, I think this is a good thing. I've been on both sides of the screen, and I simply don't have the time to be the DM and keep track of everything the PC's have at the same time. The more control the PC's have over their characters (within reason), the more I can focus on creating the story and running the game. </p><p></p><p>As a player, I personally don't enjoy it much when I'm kept in the dark about my character can do or what options he has available. Too much of that, and I feel like I'm basically a spectator in the DM's "Great Story" that will unfold as he wills it, regardless of the wishes of the players. Some DM's are good enough storytellers that even this can be enjoyable, but most are not. What's worse is the DM's who think they are that good a storyteller, when they are not. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>And of course things can go to far in the other direction. But I don't think we are there yet. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Meh. I don't think I'm the one who has been "offended".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Caliban, post: 4059238, member: 284"] Just as much as you have a problem with the very idea of PC's being able buy magic items out of the PHB. :) I think comes down to the attitude of "My Campaign" vs "My Character". As a DM (especially those with the "Great Storyteller" slant) the tendency is to want as much control over the elements of the campaign as possible so as to better to direct the direction and story of the campaign. As a Player (especially those with a competitive slant) the tendency is to want as much information about and control of your characters abilities as possible. As time has progressed and the player base has grown up and matured, the core rules of the game have leaned more and more towards the "My Character" side of things. Obviously, I think this is a good thing. I've been on both sides of the screen, and I simply don't have the time to be the DM and keep track of everything the PC's have at the same time. The more control the PC's have over their characters (within reason), the more I can focus on creating the story and running the game. As a player, I personally don't enjoy it much when I'm kept in the dark about my character can do or what options he has available. Too much of that, and I feel like I'm basically a spectator in the DM's "Great Story" that will unfold as he wills it, regardless of the wishes of the players. Some DM's are good enough storytellers that even this can be enjoyable, but most are not. What's worse is the DM's who think they are that good a storyteller, when they are not. :( And of course things can go to far in the other direction. But I don't think we are there yet. Meh. I don't think I'm the one who has been "offended". [/QUOTE]
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