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Confirmed: Magic items and summoned monster stats in PHB
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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 4060873" data-attributes="member: 18280"><p>Excepting, of course, that we don't know what the vast majority hold to. Nor, really, could WotC possibly know, because at the time of their much-vaunted survey the game didn't support that playstyle very well. All they could have asked was, essentially, "Would you like to pick/make your own magic items?" and the majority may well have said "Yes"....but that doesn't make it an informed decision. Nor does it mean that this aspect of 3e has been particularly successful, apart from its constant reinforcement by WotC to sell more books.</p><p></p><p>Supposedly, in 4e, magic items aren't going to be so very important. In this case, it would seem, it is <em>less</em> important in 4e that players have access than in 3e. However, it is a lot easier to sell new PHBs when a new PHB can be mostly a collection of new magic items. The market of players is always larger than the market of DMs.</p><p></p><p>This makes it obvious, of course, that without access to the actual results of the WotC polls we can't know what the majority prefer. What we can reasonably guess, though, is what WotC thinks will sell best. For example, the WotC data showed that gamers who buy minis tend to spend far more than gamers who do not. It shouldn't be much of a surprise that 3e, 3.5, and 4e are each progressively more mini-centric. Heck, WotC even intends to sell <em>randomized virtiual minis</em> on the DI!</p><p></p><p>So there is just as good a chance that the vast majority hold to the playstyle of "DMs get to decide what magic items are found in the game world," and that the game should be laid out in such a way as to cater to that majority.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What's so hard about having DMs who want players to be able to buy magic items making it an additive bonus to their games? Do you just have trouble saying "Yes" to your players?</p><p></p><p> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p>RC</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 4060873, member: 18280"] Excepting, of course, that we don't know what the vast majority hold to. Nor, really, could WotC possibly know, because at the time of their much-vaunted survey the game didn't support that playstyle very well. All they could have asked was, essentially, "Would you like to pick/make your own magic items?" and the majority may well have said "Yes"....but that doesn't make it an informed decision. Nor does it mean that this aspect of 3e has been particularly successful, apart from its constant reinforcement by WotC to sell more books. Supposedly, in 4e, magic items aren't going to be so very important. In this case, it would seem, it is [i]less[/i] important in 4e that players have access than in 3e. However, it is a lot easier to sell new PHBs when a new PHB can be mostly a collection of new magic items. The market of players is always larger than the market of DMs. This makes it obvious, of course, that without access to the actual results of the WotC polls we can't know what the majority prefer. What we can reasonably guess, though, is what WotC thinks will sell best. For example, the WotC data showed that gamers who buy minis tend to spend far more than gamers who do not. It shouldn't be much of a surprise that 3e, 3.5, and 4e are each progressively more mini-centric. Heck, WotC even intends to sell [i]randomized virtiual minis[/i] on the DI! So there is just as good a chance that the vast majority hold to the playstyle of "DMs get to decide what magic items are found in the game world," and that the game should be laid out in such a way as to cater to that majority. What's so hard about having DMs who want players to be able to buy magic items making it an additive bonus to their games? Do you just have trouble saying "Yes" to your players? ;) RC [/QUOTE]
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