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<blockquote data-quote="Antikinesis" data-source="post: 757589" data-attributes="member: 1437">Re: Re: Re: Re: confused about flat-footedOkay, I see where you're coming from. It looks like you consider a &quot;turn&quot; to be roughly analogous to an &quot;action&quot;. Not an unreasonable interpretation, I suppose.However, I can't agree that your interpretation is what was intended by the descriptions in the PHB. The glossary definition makes no mention of the word &quot;action&quot;, and instead uses the word &quot;turn&quot;.&nbsp; If &quot;action&quot; is what was intended, I would expect them to have used the word &quot;action&quot;, instead of &quot;turn in the initiative cycle&quot;.&nbsp; If the initiative turn is what was intended, then the chosen terms in the definition are a perfect fit.In the description on p120, the authors apparently decided that &quot;before you have had a chance to act&quot; wasn't precise enough, and parenthetically elaborated with a specific description, &quot;before your first regular turn in the initiative order&quot;.&nbsp; Once again, if this was intended to be based on the player's first action, and not first initiative, it is strange that they would have chosen the word &quot;turn&quot;.I'll grant that this is subjective, and that the core books are woefully imprecise on several topics, but IMO, the description of &quot;flat-footed&quot; pretty clearly favors the initiative (versus action) interpretation.IMC, if characters are aware of their surroundings (e.g., still conscious) when their initiative comes up, they're no longer flat-footed.-AK</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Antikinesis, post: 757589, member: 1437"] [b]Re: Re: Re: Re: confused about flat-footed[/b] Okay, I see where you're coming from. It looks like you consider a "turn" to be roughly analogous to an "action". Not an unreasonable interpretation, I suppose. However, I can't agree that your interpretation is what was intended by the descriptions in the PHB. The glossary definition makes no mention of the word "action", and instead uses the word "turn". If "action" is what was intended, I would expect them to have used the word "action", instead of "turn in the initiative cycle". If the initiative turn is what was intended, then the chosen terms in the definition are a perfect fit. In the description on p120, the authors apparently decided that "before you have had a chance to act" wasn't precise enough, and parenthetically elaborated with a specific description, "before your first regular turn in the initiative order". Once again, if this was intended to be based on the player's first action, and not first initiative, it is strange that they would have chosen the word "turn". I'll grant that this is subjective, and that the core books are woefully imprecise on several topics, but IMO, the description of "flat-footed" pretty clearly favors the initiative (versus action) interpretation. IMC, if characters are aware of their surroundings (e.g., still conscious) when their initiative comes up, they're no longer flat-footed. -AK [/QUOTE]

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