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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 4016223" data-attributes="member: 11697">The claim is that it's historical. However their original appearance way back when doesn't actually give them any association with demons. They just happen to be fiends summoned and bound into service by the drow of that particular module. That the drow are CE and worship Lolth is incidental. The adventure describes them as being just as likely to be found in association with devils as with demons, and then mentions that they're native to Gehenna, Hades, and Tartarus. There's nothing I see linking them to demons or the Abyss, and of course their subsequent development and the associated fluff through the editions presents them as decidedly non-demonic in the 4e sense of how all demons are supposed to act.They don't fit into either the demonic or devilish camps, but they've been forced into one of those defined, pre-packaged 4e roles nonetheless. I'm really at a loss over the justification provided in the preview material, because it frankly isn't accurate to the history of the game.Some of the least intelligent, lesser yugoloths might vaguely be more fit on the surface to be destroyers in the 4e demon mold, and they're certainly less humanoid than not. However beyond the first few tiers, they don't fit that 4e mold at all. Yagnoloths, marraenoloths, arcanaloths, ultroloths, baernaloths, etc don't fit the 4e demonic mold at all, and are more devilish in the 4e sense (this lumpy, force fitted duality in 4e fiends really doesn't work for me).If things aren't set in stone for 4e yet, this really needs to be reevaluated.</blockquote>

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