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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Shadow" data-source="post: 4016285" data-attributes="member: 16760">Well said, sir.Here's a free idea for anyone interested.Devils are the astral fiends, demons the elemental ones.  Yugoloths could be the fiends of the Shadowfell.  To my mind, this fits in very well with their traditional association with disease.  (Which would need to be played up.)Yugoloths represent entropy, the slow grinding down of life into death, of health into putrefaction and decay, of high ideals into cynicism.  They are the eternal worm in the apple of life - and they want to see the apple dry up until everything is like themselves.  It's not so much that they want to destroy or to rule, they want their misery to become everyone's misery.  Misery does love company, after all.Depending on just how far back the Shadowfell goes (or at least the forces that produced this shadow of the 'real' world go), they could have been behind a lot of stuff.  Perhaps a yugoloth left the seed of evil for Tharizdun to find;  perhaps they whispered in Asmodeus' ear that he could become a god;  perhaps they even stirred up trouble between the gods and the primordials.They've fallen far since those days;  I doubt the Shadowfell was their original home.  Nowadays many of them specialize in warping the energies of the Shadowfell into new plagues and terrors for the material plane.Charon and his daemons are much more suited to the Astral Sea, so I'd just say they're not yugoloths at all, just a demigod-like being with unusual servants.  Or, since Charon is so associated with Hell, perhaps even tie him to the devils somehow.  [EDIT:  Hmmm.  Given that the Shadowfell *is* the land of the dead, perhaps not... He could fit in there just fine.]On the other hand, the 'loths could pick up a Ygorl-like figure, which really never made sense for the slaadi to me anyway.  (Do the slaadi live in the Elemental Chaos now?  I'd bet a lot that the githzerai do.)(By the way, I've always seen the genies as being closer to fey than elementals - in Arabian myth they're very fey-like.  Efreeti could be seen from this point of view as almost the Fey fiends! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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