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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 3457092" data-attributes="member: 9789"><p>Until I read this thread, I had never even considered the fact that the "AC bonus" from a monk's belt might include the monk's wisdom bonus. The monk has two bonuses to AC: one from her wisdom bonus, and one that is called an "AC" bonus, which gives them an untyped +1 bonus to AC every 5 levels (that works against touch attacks and stacks with anything else in the game).</p><p></p><p>However, going back and re-reading the whole thing, I can completely understand how that interpretation could come about. And honestly, I'd be fine with it. The bonus only works when you have no armor, no shield, and no more than a light load. It's also based off wisdom, which is not important to any class that doesn't normally use armor or shields (except a monk, of course). As someone else said it's also the only item that can increase your unarmed strikes, but at the same time there are no classes that would wear no armor and get close enough to melee to use their unarmed strikes (except a monk). (Especially since the thing doesn't grant the Improved Unarmed Strike feat - AoOs are just too risky in that situation.)</p><p></p><p>I think 13k seems cheap for that kind of utility, but I don't think it's overpowered because no one (other than a monk) is going to be using all of its abilities at once. Someone might use it for improving their unarmed strikes, but they will probably be wearing armor. Someone else might use it to gain a little more AC, but they probably won't be in melee. It seems ok to me. Overall, I'd say the most suspect part of the whole thing is the guarenteed +1 untyped bonus to AC that works against touch attacks - that's a pretty sweet deal all around (although you're paying somewhere between a +2 and +3 natural armor amulet or ring of protection to get it).</p><p></p><p>(As for the AC bonus, it could be useful for a spellcaster since they could also wear a robe or bracers that granted an armor bonus, but I think it'd be most useful to a ranger: they don't need much armor and probably have some wisdom bonus to boot. Still no reason to resort to unarmed strikes, though.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 3457092, member: 9789"] Until I read this thread, I had never even considered the fact that the "AC bonus" from a monk's belt might include the monk's wisdom bonus. The monk has two bonuses to AC: one from her wisdom bonus, and one that is called an "AC" bonus, which gives them an untyped +1 bonus to AC every 5 levels (that works against touch attacks and stacks with anything else in the game). However, going back and re-reading the whole thing, I can completely understand how that interpretation could come about. And honestly, I'd be fine with it. The bonus only works when you have no armor, no shield, and no more than a light load. It's also based off wisdom, which is not important to any class that doesn't normally use armor or shields (except a monk, of course). As someone else said it's also the only item that can increase your unarmed strikes, but at the same time there are no classes that would wear no armor and get close enough to melee to use their unarmed strikes (except a monk). (Especially since the thing doesn't grant the Improved Unarmed Strike feat - AoOs are just too risky in that situation.) I think 13k seems cheap for that kind of utility, but I don't think it's overpowered because no one (other than a monk) is going to be using all of its abilities at once. Someone might use it for improving their unarmed strikes, but they will probably be wearing armor. Someone else might use it to gain a little more AC, but they probably won't be in melee. It seems ok to me. Overall, I'd say the most suspect part of the whole thing is the guarenteed +1 untyped bonus to AC that works against touch attacks - that's a pretty sweet deal all around (although you're paying somewhere between a +2 and +3 natural armor amulet or ring of protection to get it). (As for the AC bonus, it could be useful for a spellcaster since they could also wear a robe or bracers that granted an armor bonus, but I think it'd be most useful to a ranger: they don't need much armor and probably have some wisdom bonus to boot. Still no reason to resort to unarmed strikes, though.) [/QUOTE]
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