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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8891364" data-attributes="member: 18">I mean, this isn't a 4E thread, but the issue that didn't happen with the core 4E setup. It only even arguably happened when 4E was applied to other settings, like the FR. The core 4E aligned setting and lore. Both informed each other. That's basically the same Earthdawn and literally hundreds of other RPGs, though it was novel for D&D.Yes, but let's be clear, this was the THIRD TIME the Forgotten Realms had suffered because rules were being put ahead of setting. Because it was the biggest rules change, it also featured the most dramatic idiocy. I won't defend what they did to the FR. It was just dumb. There were other ways to handle it. But again, the third time, with the first being the Time of Troubles, the second being whatever the idiocy was with 3E (involving The Weave somehow? I don't even remember at this point), so unfortunately there was a multi-decade tradition of doing this to the FR when you got a new edition. I'm told the changes even in 3E were so significant they invalidated a bunch of maps (before 5E brought back the old geography).ROFL.What?!? What a segue lol!Argh laughing pretty hard IRL because "Orcs are no longer basically a racist stereotype" is being compared to "Yo we deleted half of Toril".</blockquote>