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<blockquote data-quote="Michael Tree" data-source="post: 93736" data-attributes="member: 1455"><p>Ars Magica was originally written by Jonathan Tweet (who wrote the 3E player's handbook) and Mark Reign*Hagen. Mark R*H later went on to create the Vampire RPG, and included a few references to Ars in it, namely house Tremere. </p><p></p><p>By the time WW was creating Mage, Ars had changed hands and was being published by WW. The developers at WW decided to turn Ars into the "back-history" of the world of darkness, in in doing so introduced a bunch of utterly boneheaded ideas into Ars, and stuck massive numbers of demons everywhere in the books in an attempt to make Ars "darker" to boost sales. (One truly shameful example of this is the Spain tribunal book. The (corrupted) line editor took a good manuscript, and stuck in "demon tainted" references (no doubt inspired by the devil) in practically every other sentence, hoping to make it edgy and cool, but just making it almost humorously lame, or was his real plan to lure consumers to sell their souls to the devil? The sort of lame demon-references I randomly inserted into the previous sentence fill the entire book.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, because White Wolf had decided that Ars was the WoD's history, they included a number of Ars concepts into their new game Mage, most notably the Order of Hermes. </p><p></p><p>Later, WW sold Ars to Wizards, who in turn sold it to Atlas, who currently publish it. All lame white-wolfisms have been removed from the current edition of Ars, which is no longer considered to be the history of the World of Darkness. They have some similarities, but they are two entirely different worlds and game settings now, as they should be.</p><p></p><p>Please note that I'm not slamming the World of Darkness games, just WW's bad treatment of Ars Magica. WW essentially tried to turn Ars into what Mage: Sorcerer's Crusade is. M:SC is a good prequel to the WoD, much better than a compromised Ars, and a good game in its own right, bur has a very different feel from Ars Magica.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Michael Tree, post: 93736, member: 1455"] Ars Magica was originally written by Jonathan Tweet (who wrote the 3E player's handbook) and Mark Reign*Hagen. Mark R*H later went on to create the Vampire RPG, and included a few references to Ars in it, namely house Tremere. By the time WW was creating Mage, Ars had changed hands and was being published by WW. The developers at WW decided to turn Ars into the "back-history" of the world of darkness, in in doing so introduced a bunch of utterly boneheaded ideas into Ars, and stuck massive numbers of demons everywhere in the books in an attempt to make Ars "darker" to boost sales. (One truly shameful example of this is the Spain tribunal book. The (corrupted) line editor took a good manuscript, and stuck in "demon tainted" references (no doubt inspired by the devil) in practically every other sentence, hoping to make it edgy and cool, but just making it almost humorously lame, or was his real plan to lure consumers to sell their souls to the devil? The sort of lame demon-references I randomly inserted into the previous sentence fill the entire book. Anyway, because White Wolf had decided that Ars was the WoD's history, they included a number of Ars concepts into their new game Mage, most notably the Order of Hermes. Later, WW sold Ars to Wizards, who in turn sold it to Atlas, who currently publish it. All lame white-wolfisms have been removed from the current edition of Ars, which is no longer considered to be the history of the World of Darkness. They have some similarities, but they are two entirely different worlds and game settings now, as they should be. Please note that I'm not slamming the World of Darkness games, just WW's bad treatment of Ars Magica. WW essentially tried to turn Ars into what Mage: Sorcerer's Crusade is. M:SC is a good prequel to the WoD, much better than a compromised Ars, and a good game in its own right, bur has a very different feel from Ars Magica. [/QUOTE]
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