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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4994630" data-attributes="member: 35909"><p>Vow of Poverty is a weak feat ultimately.</p><p></p><p>The other vows are beyond pitiful.</p><p></p><p>He's wasted all of his feats. He could have actually gotten powerful things, like Improved Natural Attack (unarmed strike), or Divine Metamagic. Instead, he's drinking water through a strainer lest he accidentally kill a fly.</p><p></p><p>He committed the cardinal sin of being a caster without full caster level. I don't care how much Wis he's adding to AC. It wasn't worth the lost CL. Especially since by RAW, a monk's belt would give him that without the CL loss anyway. Oh right...he took VoP, so he can't abuse the plethora of broken magic items out there....my bad.</p><p></p><p>His brokenness is "high" AC (post it, please. I bet you I can easily create a character of the same ECL with similar AC without even trying hard, using level-appropriate gold) and being almost as good at dispelling as an actual full caster? Really?</p><p></p><p>The hilarity/sadness really comes into its own in that you're looking for ways to entrap the PC or trick him out of his <s>paladinhood</s> vows. Sorry, for some reason it reminds me of forcing a Paladin to fall. Crazy, huh? You do know that you CANNOT get those vow benefits back, right? And the feat is then a giant sucking whole of worthlessness. Any DM who thinks it's ok to go after a player like deserves to have his players walk out on the game in disgust.</p><p></p><p>So in conclusion...you actually were serious? Sorry, I need to roll a will save to disbelieve this thread.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 4994630, member: 35909"] Vow of Poverty is a weak feat ultimately. The other vows are beyond pitiful. He's wasted all of his feats. He could have actually gotten powerful things, like Improved Natural Attack (unarmed strike), or Divine Metamagic. Instead, he's drinking water through a strainer lest he accidentally kill a fly. He committed the cardinal sin of being a caster without full caster level. I don't care how much Wis he's adding to AC. It wasn't worth the lost CL. Especially since by RAW, a monk's belt would give him that without the CL loss anyway. Oh right...he took VoP, so he can't abuse the plethora of broken magic items out there....my bad. His brokenness is "high" AC (post it, please. I bet you I can easily create a character of the same ECL with similar AC without even trying hard, using level-appropriate gold) and being almost as good at dispelling as an actual full caster? Really? The hilarity/sadness really comes into its own in that you're looking for ways to entrap the PC or trick him out of his [s]paladinhood[/s] vows. Sorry, for some reason it reminds me of forcing a Paladin to fall. Crazy, huh? You do know that you CANNOT get those vow benefits back, right? And the feat is then a giant sucking whole of worthlessness. Any DM who thinks it's ok to go after a player like deserves to have his players walk out on the game in disgust. So in conclusion...you actually were serious? Sorry, I need to roll a will save to disbelieve this thread. [/QUOTE]
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