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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7716658" data-attributes="member: 29398">20 kobolds would wipe out most 1st level parties in 1e as well assuming the party only had 4 characters a la the typical 3e party.But - one thing to note is that the expected party size in 1e was about double that of 3e.As the levels get higher you become more correct - an adventure for levels 5-8 in 1e would probably wipe out levels 5-8 in 3e on a direct conversion.&nbsp; However, a direct conversion does the 3e characters a disservice in that where 1e effectively has about a 10-level range or so (other than Tomb of Horrors there's not much published for levels beyond about 10) 3e has at least a 15-level range and is designed for 20.&nbsp; Thus, a 5-8 party in 1e is well over halfway through the range while a 5-8 party in 3e hasn't really got to halfway yet.3e can be nasty in terms of simply killing characters.&nbsp; I don't think that's really in dispute.Where 3e is not as nasty as 1e-2e is in level drains, item loss or damage, spell interruption, and some other things that while they maybe don't kill a character can make its life much less pleasant.&nbsp; And while 3e is quite good at killing characters, revival is automatic (no resurrection survival roll) if the character (i.e. player) so desires and the funds can be found.Lan-&quot;4e went back more to relying on monsters having some strength in numbers, and 5e kept going this way&quot;-efan</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 7716658, member: 29398"] 20 kobolds would wipe out most 1st level parties in 1e as well assuming the party only had 4 characters a la the typical 3e party. But - one thing to note is that the expected party size in 1e was about double that of 3e. As the levels get higher you become more correct - an adventure for levels 5-8 in 1e would probably wipe out levels 5-8 in 3e on a direct conversion. However, a direct conversion does the 3e characters a disservice in that where 1e effectively has about a 10-level range or so (other than Tomb of Horrors there's not much published for levels beyond about 10) 3e has at least a 15-level range and is designed for 20. Thus, a 5-8 party in 1e is well over halfway through the range while a 5-8 party in 3e hasn't really got to halfway yet. 3e can be nasty in terms of simply killing characters. I don't think that's really in dispute. Where 3e is not as nasty as 1e-2e is in level drains, item loss or damage, spell interruption, and some other things that while they maybe don't kill a character can make its life much less pleasant. And while 3e is quite good at killing characters, revival is automatic (no resurrection survival roll) if the character (i.e. player) so desires and the funds can be found. Lan-"4e went back more to relying on monsters having some strength in numbers, and 5e kept going this way"-efan [/QUOTE]

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