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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7716669" data-attributes="member: 23751">The math is not utterly different.&nbsp; It's only somewhat different.&nbsp; fighters in 1e have their ability to hit an AC get better by one per level.&nbsp; Fighters in 3e have their ability to hit an AC get better by one per level.&nbsp; Orcs in 1e have an AC of 6.&nbsp; Orcs in 3e have an AC of 13(AC 7 in 1e).&nbsp; Already it's 5% easier to hit an orc in 3e.&nbsp; All that's left are stats, hit points and damage.&nbsp; A 16 strength for both and a 14 con for both, which are reasonable stats to roll in both systems.&nbsp; 4d6 drop the lowest being the same in both systems.&nbsp; This gives the 3e fighter +3 to hit and damage and the 1e fighter +1 to damage only.&nbsp; Now the 3e fighter is 20% more likely to hit.&nbsp; But wait, that's not all!&nbsp; 3e fighters have feats and weapon focus is staple.&nbsp; Now he's 25% more likely to hit.&nbsp; Let's look at hit points and damage next.&nbsp; The 3e fighter with the 14 con will have 12 hit points.&nbsp; The 1e fighter with the 14 con will have 1-10 hit points, averaging 5.&nbsp; The 1e orc will have 1-8 hit points, averaging 4.&nbsp; The 3e orc will have 2-9 hit points, averaging 5.&nbsp; The 3e fighter using a greatsword will be doing 2d6+4 damage, which is guaranteed to kill the orc if it has average hit points WITH a minimum damage roll, and will kill a max hit point orc with an average roll.&nbsp; The 1e fighter has a to roll a 3 better with a two handed sword to kill an orc with average hit points, and will fail to kill an orc with max hit points with an average roll.&nbsp; On the flip side of things the 1e orc is far more likely to take out a 1e fighter with a single attack roll.&nbsp; An average amount of damage from a 1e orc is 40% likely to take out a 1st level 1e fighter.&nbsp; An average amount of damage from a 3e orc cannot take out the 3e fighter, even if we remove his con bonus.&nbsp; One on one, a 1e orc is far more dangerous to the 1e fighter than vice versa.Only if you are cheating.&nbsp; 4d6 drop the lowest is not likely to give stats much better than that.&nbsp; In fact, it's more likely to give stats worse than those., than better than those, which STILL leaves the 3e fighter with bonuses.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7716669, member: 23751"] The math is not utterly different. It's only somewhat different. fighters in 1e have their ability to hit an AC get better by one per level. Fighters in 3e have their ability to hit an AC get better by one per level. Orcs in 1e have an AC of 6. Orcs in 3e have an AC of 13(AC 7 in 1e). Already it's 5% easier to hit an orc in 3e. All that's left are stats, hit points and damage. A 16 strength for both and a 14 con for both, which are reasonable stats to roll in both systems. 4d6 drop the lowest being the same in both systems. This gives the 3e fighter +3 to hit and damage and the 1e fighter +1 to damage only. Now the 3e fighter is 20% more likely to hit. But wait, that's not all! 3e fighters have feats and weapon focus is staple. Now he's 25% more likely to hit. Let's look at hit points and damage next. The 3e fighter with the 14 con will have 12 hit points. The 1e fighter with the 14 con will have 1-10 hit points, averaging 5. The 1e orc will have 1-8 hit points, averaging 4. The 3e orc will have 2-9 hit points, averaging 5. The 3e fighter using a greatsword will be doing 2d6+4 damage, which is guaranteed to kill the orc if it has average hit points WITH a minimum damage roll, and will kill a max hit point orc with an average roll. The 1e fighter has a to roll a 3 better with a two handed sword to kill an orc with average hit points, and will fail to kill an orc with max hit points with an average roll. On the flip side of things the 1e orc is far more likely to take out a 1e fighter with a single attack roll. An average amount of damage from a 1e orc is 40% likely to take out a 1st level 1e fighter. An average amount of damage from a 3e orc cannot take out the 3e fighter, even if we remove his con bonus. One on one, a 1e orc is far more dangerous to the 1e fighter than vice versa. Only if you are cheating. 4d6 drop the lowest is not likely to give stats much better than that. In fact, it's more likely to give stats worse than those., than better than those, which STILL leaves the 3e fighter with bonuses. [/QUOTE]

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