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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7716719" data-attributes="member: 22779">Y'know, [MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION], there's another point to remember here.&nbsp; We've been going back and forth about 1st level characters, but, there's a great deal more to the game than one single level.&nbsp; Let's take our fighters and make them 3rd level.&nbsp; Now, a 3rd level 1e fighter has 15 HP, Plate and Shield (that's pretty much given and it's not unreasonable for our 3rd level fighter to have a +1 shield either) giving him an AC of -1.&nbsp; Now, that fighter is pretty much invulnerable to the orc.&nbsp; The orc needs a 20 to hit and has to hit at least twice for max damage to knock the fighter down - a 1 in 6400 chance of that orc being able to defeat that fighter.The 3e fighter, has a worth by the book of 800 gp.&nbsp; So, Half plate is the best he can do - no Dex bonus, so he's got an AC of 17 (no shield remember, you insisted on a 2-h weapon.&nbsp; He has 28 HP on average (12+6x2+2x2)&nbsp; Our 3e orc, with a +4 attack bonus, hits on a 13 or better and has a crit range of 3d12+12 damage.&nbsp; So, our orc is hitting 40% of the time with a 5% crit chance.&nbsp; Meaning he's got a 2% chance of critting our fighter and instantly killing him (with a 1 better than average damage roll).So, our 3e orc has about a 3000 times better chance of killing our fighter than the 1e orc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7716719, member: 22779"] Y'know, [MENTION=23751]Maxperson[/MENTION], there's another point to remember here. We've been going back and forth about 1st level characters, but, there's a great deal more to the game than one single level. Let's take our fighters and make them 3rd level. Now, a 3rd level 1e fighter has 15 HP, Plate and Shield (that's pretty much given and it's not unreasonable for our 3rd level fighter to have a +1 shield either) giving him an AC of -1. Now, that fighter is pretty much invulnerable to the orc. The orc needs a 20 to hit and has to hit at least twice for max damage to knock the fighter down - a 1 in 6400 chance of that orc being able to defeat that fighter. The 3e fighter, has a worth by the book of 800 gp. So, Half plate is the best he can do - no Dex bonus, so he's got an AC of 17 (no shield remember, you insisted on a 2-h weapon. He has 28 HP on average (12+6x2+2x2) Our 3e orc, with a +4 attack bonus, hits on a 13 or better and has a crit range of 3d12+12 damage. So, our orc is hitting 40% of the time with a 5% crit chance. Meaning he's got a 2% chance of critting our fighter and instantly killing him (with a 1 better than average damage roll). So, our 3e orc has about a 3000 times better chance of killing our fighter than the 1e orc. [/QUOTE]

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