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<blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 7716836" data-attributes="member: 3400"><p>Whereas nothing. I think this is another case of overthinking and postulating some kind of difference existing between gamers as if we're some kind of special subculture without seeing that the same thing exists within every hobby. Every hobby has hardcores that look down on wannabes, oddballs that scoff at conformists. Every hobby has people in various wings of the hobby putting different meaning and value to the things they're doing compared to someone else in another wing. You don't think blues musicians impart different meanings and values to their craft from punks, or concert pianists from rappers? You don't think Woody Guthrie considered music to have different meaning and value from Metallica? I'd bet you can find any number of musicians who approach their craft with meanings and values every bit as different from each other as &quot;participationist&quot; RPGers from classic dungeon crawling.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="billd91, post: 7716836, member: 3400"] Whereas nothing. I think this is another case of overthinking and postulating some kind of difference existing between gamers as if we're some kind of special subculture without seeing that the same thing exists within every hobby. Every hobby has hardcores that look down on wannabes, oddballs that scoff at conformists. Every hobby has people in various wings of the hobby putting different meaning and value to the things they're doing compared to someone else in another wing. You don't think blues musicians impart different meanings and values to their craft from punks, or concert pianists from rappers? You don't think Woody Guthrie considered music to have different meaning and value from Metallica? I'd bet you can find any number of musicians who approach their craft with meanings and values every bit as different from each other as "participationist" RPGers from classic dungeon crawling. [/QUOTE]

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