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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7797492" data-attributes="member: 4937">So much of your problems seem to be related to your other decision that players should always have perfect information, or specifically that all rolls should be rolled in the clear. So much of your confusion goes away if we assume that if in the fiction your character lacks perfect information about his performance, that the DM should be rolling the dice and not the player. But even if we didn't, your question is bewildering.As for your question:a) How does your character know that the got it wrong? If your basis of knowing that the character got it wrong is metagame information, and also the system assumes rolls in the clear what is wrong with the system being written in such a manner that it forbids the player from being able to act on that information. In other words, why would it be wrong or surprising that a system that assumes rolls in the clear forces you to accept the consequences of the dice roll?b) How do you the player know that 22 is good enough? Most checks of this sort are against some target based on the NPC's skills of observation, whether against a passive DC or an opposed check. So as a player you still don't know if a 22 is going to be good enough.c) In character, on what basis would your character have to judge a good forgery from a bad? But if your character had some basis, I probably would allow you to keep retrying until you got it right. If your character had some strong basis of telling a good forgery from bad, what in fiction would prevent a character from trying 20 or 100 times and choosing from the results the one that was, on the basis he had, the best forgery? Of course, there might be ancillary costs in making 100 copies, but in the real world forgers often do make numerous attempts to forge a document and keep the most perfect one. So why does this 'trying until I got it right' process present a problem for you provided that there was an in game rather than metagame basis?</blockquote>

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