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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 7797994" data-attributes="member: 6779196">Metal Gear Solid? It’s an extremely popular video game series. Involves a lot of stealth, and when the main character, Snake, is at risk of being spotted, a red exclamation point appears above the head of the NPC that is about to detect you.Does this come up often for you, that a PC is sneaking around, and a hidden NPC is searching for them? I can’t say it does for me. I would imagine the NPC would be too focused on remaining hidden to also be searching. If players have to pick one task or the other when exploring, shouldn’t NPCs have the same limitation? I don’t know, doesn’t seem like a major concern with the way I set up challenges.Sure, that’s interesting too. Preparation can be a good way to get yourself Advantage on a future check, or even eliminate the need for a future check.I disagree strongly.I’d call that verisimilitude rather than realism, but otherwise I agree. I just don’t believe that players having access to knowledge their characters wouldn’t actually harms verisimilitude. Verisimilitude is about insuring that the world behaves and reacts to the players’ input on believable and consistent ways, not about the players’ experience and knowledge perfectly matching the characters’.Sure, but again, the PCs not knowing doesn’t mean the players can’t know. And while verisimilitude is important for empowering players to be confident in their decisions, so is access to pertinent information.Ok, so taking it as a given that the dog has a chance to hear a person who is actively trying to move silently through this door, it seems reasonable to say that the character could pretty easily hear a dog that is not attempting to conceal its presence through it. So I’m going to narrate that and ask the player what they do about it. Assuming what they do is attempt to sneak past by walking carefully and quietly, I’d call for a Dexterity check. The player could add their proficiency bonus for Stealth if they have it. Until they stop hiding or are detected, the result will set the DC for Wisdom (Perception) checks to find them.We’re already making a lot of assumptions just to get as far as one check made in response to hearing the dog. What else might happen from there is contingent on so many variables, including what further actions the player takes and what the outcomes of those actions are, I can’t tell you with any degree of accuracy how many Stealth checks.None, because there is nothing to detect the character; no risk, no challenge, no point rolling dice.I disagree. If you want to do it that way, that’s fine, but the game won’t be ruined if you don’t.I don’t think you’ve really demonstrated that to be the case.</blockquote>

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