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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 7799259" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>I’d argue that you not recogning the difference is a major barrier to you understanding “goal and approach.”</p><p></p><p></p><p>Both, that’s the nature of a contest. One side succeeds, and the other side necessarily fails.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, both. You failed to sneak past him, he succeeded in finding the source of the noise he heard or whatever.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Depends on your goal I guess, but you probably failed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I don’t think it’s really any harder to think in terms of “what are you trying to accomplish and how?” once you get used to it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Then your goal is to win the prize money or the wager. I already covered that in my previous post addressing this example, which you ignored.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But there must be a reason you want to win the contest, even if it’s just for your own sense of pride and accomplishment. Whatever it is you want out of the contest, <em>that’s</em> your goal.</p><p></p><p>Also, you didn’t really leave me much choice but to change your example, since your example didn’t have a goal and an approach. If you don’t want me filling those blanks in for you, you need to fill them in yourself. If the folks on my side of this argument are guilty of dodging examples, the folks on your side are equally guilty of refusing to present examples with a goal and approach framework.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I haven’t encountered such problematic situations. If you have, then by all means, use the techniques that work better for you, but I object to your assertion that these problems will inevitably arise when one applied this technique consistently throughout the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 7799259, member: 6779196"] I’d argue that you not recogning the difference is a major barrier to you understanding “goal and approach.” Both, that’s the nature of a contest. One side succeeds, and the other side necessarily fails. Again, both. You failed to sneak past him, he succeeded in finding the source of the noise he heard or whatever. Depends on your goal I guess, but you probably failed. I don’t think it’s really any harder to think in terms of “what are you trying to accomplish and how?” once you get used to it. Then your goal is to win the prize money or the wager. I already covered that in my previous post addressing this example, which you ignored. But there must be a reason you want to win the contest, even if it’s just for your own sense of pride and accomplishment. Whatever it is you want out of the contest, [i]that’s[/i] your goal. Also, you didn’t really leave me much choice but to change your example, since your example didn’t have a goal and an approach. If you don’t want me filling those blanks in for you, you need to fill them in yourself. If the folks on my side of this argument are guilty of dodging examples, the folks on your side are equally guilty of refusing to present examples with a goal and approach framework. I haven’t encountered such problematic situations. If you have, then by all means, use the techniques that work better for you, but I object to your assertion that these problems will inevitably arise when one applied this technique consistently throughout the game. [/QUOTE]
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