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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7800142" data-attributes="member: 16814">What this says is that something was really at stake.  What's interesting is that this doesn't become apparent until the DM is narrating against the PC, either outright or after a roll.  It's obvious to you that narrating humiliation without a roll is bad (I agree), but I'm not as clear why sudden humiliation is okay because you rolled dice?  Is a bad rol enough justification to enact humiliation is a situation that was no stakes before the roll?Also, it appears that stakes are being introduced after the die roll rather than as a preface to the roll.  The player has no way to tell that the roll may end up with humiliation because the roll acts as a gate for the DM to narrate consequences however the DM wants, with no previous understanding of the stakes involved.</blockquote>