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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Swarmkeeper" data-source="post: 7808190" data-attributes="member: 6921763">Disagree.  There is a meaningful consequence to failure for all those things (although I don’t see how “action economy” fits in the list - maybe you can say more there.)Initiative:  Rolling lower than your opponent gives them the jump on you in combat - which could mean the difference in which side wins or loses in a tightly matched contestSpells:  Missing on a spell attack roll means you wasted your action and perhaps have wasted a spell slot, tooSaving Throws:  Rolling lower than the DC results in the worst effect on youCombat:  Rolling lower than AC means you missed and have wasted an actionSaying "goal does not matter" for spell casting is a bit of a head-scratcher.  Why is the PC casting the spell?  Because the player has a goal in mind with the approach of casting said spell.  If there is no roll called for by the DM, that does not contradict Goal and Approach.   Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you are saying there.Of course "rolls" do not care about anything, but to imply there is no goal and approach in combat is incorrect.  True, often the goal in combat is simply implied but it doesn't mean it is not there: "Rhogar strikes at the orc with his greatsword!"  Why?  The goal is to harm, perhaps kill, the orc.  Unclear goal?  DM asks player to clarify.</blockquote>