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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7808288">Man you write long posts.No, not trying to discourage unskilled attempts.  Trying to avoid the situation where your choice is:1. Let everybody roll (because there's no cost, so why not?) in which case statistically somebody is going to succeed.  In which case why are you having a roll?  2. Rely on some artificial metagame mechanism (such as the tacit recognition that doing so is cheesy) to limit multiple rolls.Really it's the same problem as re-rolls, except it's one roll per person rather than multiple rolls for one person.  Nope.  See above.My desire for consequences is, among other things, to provide an "organic", in-game, in-fiction mechanism for avoiding the situation where everybody keeps rolling dice until somebody beats a DC.  It appears the rest of your post is largely based on the same misunderstanding, so I won't address it point by point because my response to each would just be "Nope, that's not what I'm trying to say/do."</blockquote>