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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 7809887" data-attributes="member: 6779196">If you want to kill the orc and not burn the curtains, don’t put the origin point of your fireball spell within 20 feet of the curtains. Cause otherwise, those curtains are getting burned whether you want them to or not, that’s just part of the effect of the spell. The orc, also as part of the effect of the spell, gets to make a saving throw to reduce the damage by half. But again, he’s getting burned either way, the only thing that’s uncertain is how bad. And that’s why he makes a save.If what you’re reading when people say “I can’t tell from this what your goal and approach are” is “more fluff is needed,” then I’m not surprised you’re struggling to understand the goal and approach methodology. Fluff is not the key. Detail is not the key. Clear communication of what you’re trying to accomplish and by what means is the key.If that’s the analogy that’s going to help you grokk it, then sure.But those objections have never been on the basis of SOPs not clearly communicating goal and approach. SOPs certainly communicate enough information to adjudicate, they’re just boring. That’s an issue with the way you’re designing your adventures and/or adjudicating actions, not with the way players are declaring them.I don’t see why she would need to ask about those things. The results will be the same either way.That’s up to the player.This does raise an interesting point. I generally rule that the target of a PvP action is the one who determines if the action succeeds, fails, or has an uncertain outcome. But in the case that a PC happens to be in the AoE of a harmful spell cast by another PC? I generally would consider that “friendly fire” as opposed to “PvP.” But I suppose there is a strong argument to be made that this could be considered PvP. I don’t know, I’d have to noodle on that a bit.</blockquote>

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