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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7924193" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>That's not really a plain answer to the question I asked.</p><p></p><p>As to your points, it's not at all clear to me that races are labelled good and evil arbitrarily. I think races are labelled good and evil according to their expected behavior. If a member of that race, such as an orc, didn't engage in that behavior, then they wouldn't be labeled "evil".</p><p></p><p>As for your second point, it is not at all clear that all evil races would kill their offspring or that they all would to the point of being nonviable. While being evil always contains an element of destructiveness, being evil does not necessarily mean being totally nihilistic - we wouldn't assert that all evil beings would immediately commit suicide (and doing so would be a violation of CE tenets). And in the case of a race biologically capable of overproducing offspring, it's certainly not clear that culling offspring leads to poor biological fitness. For example, suppose female dragons lay 50 eggs every year. The dragon may expect, from a biological perspective, most of the offspring to die as only a few are needed to reproduce the species in the long term. So a female dragon mother may well cull those offspring that she doesn't feel are fit to survive, and leave the rest to struggle. This is not inconsistent with the idea of dragons still being a plague on the world.</p><p></p><p>As for your third point, why is it wrong for the GM to decide for the purposes of the setting what is good and evil? Is your point actually congruent to saying that you won't play in a game where you don't get to set the definitions of good and evil?</p><p></p><p>As for your fourth point, doesn't playing in any magical setting promote "unscientific thinking"? Are you asserting that it is wrong for anyone to consider an unscientific setting?</p><p></p><p>So not only did you evade my question, but the explanation for why you personally don't play games with alignment seems weak and not based on a rational consideration of the evidence.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7924193, member: 4937"] That's not really a plain answer to the question I asked. As to your points, it's not at all clear to me that races are labelled good and evil arbitrarily. I think races are labelled good and evil according to their expected behavior. If a member of that race, such as an orc, didn't engage in that behavior, then they wouldn't be labeled "evil". As for your second point, it is not at all clear that all evil races would kill their offspring or that they all would to the point of being nonviable. While being evil always contains an element of destructiveness, being evil does not necessarily mean being totally nihilistic - we wouldn't assert that all evil beings would immediately commit suicide (and doing so would be a violation of CE tenets). And in the case of a race biologically capable of overproducing offspring, it's certainly not clear that culling offspring leads to poor biological fitness. For example, suppose female dragons lay 50 eggs every year. The dragon may expect, from a biological perspective, most of the offspring to die as only a few are needed to reproduce the species in the long term. So a female dragon mother may well cull those offspring that she doesn't feel are fit to survive, and leave the rest to struggle. This is not inconsistent with the idea of dragons still being a plague on the world. As for your third point, why is it wrong for the GM to decide for the purposes of the setting what is good and evil? Is your point actually congruent to saying that you won't play in a game where you don't get to set the definitions of good and evil? As for your fourth point, doesn't playing in any magical setting promote "unscientific thinking"? Are you asserting that it is wrong for anyone to consider an unscientific setting? So not only did you evade my question, but the explanation for why you personally don't play games with alignment seems weak and not based on a rational consideration of the evidence. [/QUOTE]
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