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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7925588" data-attributes="member: 4937">When you claim that morality is not objective in real life, you are also saying something very specific about morality. Likewise, when you have a setting which features only moral grayness at best, then it seems to me quite likely that - right or wrong - the author is saying "that's just the way it is in the real world". One only writes like that I would think, when you want to say some thing very specific about the real world.I think it is ridiculous to assert that someone like myself is denying the authorship of my home-brew setting simply because I claim that morality is objective within the setting, and further because the setting has knowable objective metaphysical forces acting within it. This is not an accident. This is not me being somehow clueless about what I'm writing. There is not a lack of intentionality here.It's hard to tell what you are really saying even with the clarification. Because on the one hand I'm getting this argument that I'm just denying my own agency in my writing. And yet at the same time I'm being told by other posters that what I actually intend doesn't matter, and that their agency as readers and what they want to see in my work is more important than my own agency. And I'm not even going to get into claims about the metaphysical here because any extensive argument about whether or not what is real has some metaphysical existence or interacts with a metaphysical reality will soon violate board rules.If fantastic settings are troubling to you with their reified metaphysical entities and reified morality, I have repeatedly suggested that it is quite possible to have more or less this exact same discussion in a hard science fiction setting with no reified metaphysical morality.But is this conversation really just going to boil down to the idea that all fictional works ought to represent a morality and a reality we are comfortable with?   Because once again, the last time I encountered that ideology was a religious fundamentalist.</blockquote>

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