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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 7926888" data-attributes="member: 6855114"><p>Wow reading through all of this was... confusing to say the least.</p><p></p><p>Evil is evil. In our modern world, we tend to apply our "enlightenment" to medieval, stone age or whatever we look at. In a world where gods exists, demons can walk the world, devils try to steal your soul with a contract can you really say that a race that has a whole pantheon of evil gods isn't evil itself?</p><p></p><p>Orcs are such a race, goblinoids too. Gnolls are demonically bred (now). Place yourself in the place of the poor commoner who sees an orc horde coming his way. He will not say: "Poor you! You are so misunderstood. People are so racists towards you. Let me give you a hug to bring you joy!" Nope, the commoner knows that if he does not fight or flee, he is dead. If he is lucky, he will die quickly. If not, he will be tortured and sacrificed to one of the orcish gods and so will his family.</p><p></p><p>The removal of the evil tag on some races comes from our modern view of our world. We live in a world of grey area and we want to put it in our games. We firmly believe in redemption but sometimes, redemption is only a wish. Some things are evil to the core. Races with only evil gods are such a thing. In fantasy world where said races have other gods or share the gods of the other races, then you can have a variety of alignment in said races. These worlds are not my cup of tea as I prefer worlds where evil is evil and good is good. No gray area (or only occasionally). Only a black and white view of the world. This make the heroes' job that much easier when there is no moral hassles. Evil races were put there by evil gods out of jealousy. I encourage you to read the history of the Orc Pantheons in the various God and Demi-gods books over the editions. The history in the MToF about orcs and goblinoids is also very enlightening.</p><p></p><p>I know that racism is a delicate subject in our modern world. I don't like racism and sexism any more than anyone here. But in a fantasy setting, these are tools to be used to create stories. I have three female players and their martial characters are great. One is in the second group and plays a Half Orc paladin. She faces racism all the time. But she rose in level and in fame. Her name is sang by bards all over the kingdom of Furyondy as the slayer of Kharak the High priest of the Ancient Iuz. She fought the views of others and overcame their views and found a place in their hearts. Use these as tools to further stories. You'll see.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 7926888, member: 6855114"] Wow reading through all of this was... confusing to say the least. Evil is evil. In our modern world, we tend to apply our "enlightenment" to medieval, stone age or whatever we look at. In a world where gods exists, demons can walk the world, devils try to steal your soul with a contract can you really say that a race that has a whole pantheon of evil gods isn't evil itself? Orcs are such a race, goblinoids too. Gnolls are demonically bred (now). Place yourself in the place of the poor commoner who sees an orc horde coming his way. He will not say: "Poor you! You are so misunderstood. People are so racists towards you. Let me give you a hug to bring you joy!" Nope, the commoner knows that if he does not fight or flee, he is dead. If he is lucky, he will die quickly. If not, he will be tortured and sacrificed to one of the orcish gods and so will his family. The removal of the evil tag on some races comes from our modern view of our world. We live in a world of grey area and we want to put it in our games. We firmly believe in redemption but sometimes, redemption is only a wish. Some things are evil to the core. Races with only evil gods are such a thing. In fantasy world where said races have other gods or share the gods of the other races, then you can have a variety of alignment in said races. These worlds are not my cup of tea as I prefer worlds where evil is evil and good is good. No gray area (or only occasionally). Only a black and white view of the world. This make the heroes' job that much easier when there is no moral hassles. Evil races were put there by evil gods out of jealousy. I encourage you to read the history of the Orc Pantheons in the various God and Demi-gods books over the editions. The history in the MToF about orcs and goblinoids is also very enlightening. I know that racism is a delicate subject in our modern world. I don't like racism and sexism any more than anyone here. But in a fantasy setting, these are tools to be used to create stories. I have three female players and their martial characters are great. One is in the second group and plays a Half Orc paladin. She faces racism all the time. But she rose in level and in fame. Her name is sang by bards all over the kingdom of Furyondy as the slayer of Kharak the High priest of the Ancient Iuz. She fought the views of others and overcame their views and found a place in their hearts. Use these as tools to further stories. You'll see. [/QUOTE]
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