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<blockquote data-quote="Holy Bovine" data-source="post: 5303152" data-attributes="member: 203">We used the standard array for stats in the games we`ve played for 4E.&nbsp; Before that we would use 28 point buy (3E) and roll 4d6 drop lowest arrange to taste (2E &amp; 1E).There is only one player in my 2 groups that really wanted to start with a 20 in his prime stat.&nbsp; The really sad part about that was he was playing a paladin in a 7 person group and they really needed him for back up healing.&nbsp; A 12 wis and 14 Cha really doesn`t cut it.My personal max is 19 after racial mods at 1st level if allowed.&nbsp; I usually end up going with 18 after racial mods just because I like to have a recent Con and be good a variety of skills.I really don`t feel, if using point buy, the extra 4 points it costs to go from 17 to 18 (then +2 racial) is ever worth it.&nbsp; The rest of your stats will suck so then your defenses will lag far behind, ime not to mention an inability to qualify for many feats, poor skill bonuses etc.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Holy Bovine, post: 5303152, member: 203"] We used the standard array for stats in the games we`ve played for 4E. Before that we would use 28 point buy (3E) and roll 4d6 drop lowest arrange to taste (2E & 1E). There is only one player in my 2 groups that really wanted to start with a 20 in his prime stat. The really sad part about that was he was playing a paladin in a 7 person group and they really needed him for back up healing. A 12 wis and 14 Cha really doesn`t cut it. My personal max is 19 after racial mods at 1st level if allowed. I usually end up going with 18 after racial mods just because I like to have a recent Con and be good a variety of skills. I really don`t feel, if using point buy, the extra 4 points it costs to go from 17 to 18 (then +2 racial) is ever worth it. The rest of your stats will suck so then your defenses will lag far behind, ime not to mention an inability to qualify for many feats, poor skill bonuses etc. [/QUOTE]

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