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<blockquote data-quote="Gadget" data-source="post: 6599861" data-attributes="member: 23716">Thank you for the reminder, it's been a while.&nbsp; Yes I see your point, but the AD&amp;D system is unquestionably more convoluted, and--depending on the stat--some of the benefits at certain levels are questionable.&nbsp; For better or for worse, 5e (and d20 D&amp;D before it), has chosen a more streamlined system.&nbsp; If they really wanted to, they could have made your ability score reduced to just the bonus (+1, +2...) and nothing would be lost (I think the True d20 system did so a while back); but not using the 3-18 ability score system would have made it &quot;Not D&amp;D&quot;.&nbsp; The point is that it doesn't matter if you have an odd ability score or an even one, taking an ability enhancement at level up increases you bonus by one.&nbsp; The only difference being that if you subsequently take a feat that gives you +1 ability score plus some other benefit, the odd ability score guy had his bonus increase again, while the even one did not.&nbsp; But the odd ability score &quot;cost&quot; more for point buy (if you were to use point buy), so there is that.&nbsp;Sound interesting, but multiclassing can be very tricky to get right, as 3e's à la carte multiclassing showed.&nbsp; I agree with you in that I don't care for this style of implementation, it feels to me like trying to smash together a point buy and class based system, two things that are fundamentally different.&nbsp; One thing I do like is the pseudo-multiclassing you can do through feats such as magic initiate and ritual caster;&nbsp; enough to give you some flavor and ability of a multiclass without all the headaches that can ensue.&nbsp;&nbsp; There is a lot of truth in what you say.&nbsp; Yet I submit that giving the martial classes abilities with mechanical meat (other than just a +x to hit/damage) in a D&amp;Dish framework is a fraught endeavor.&nbsp; All one needs to do is look at the thread on WOTC's non-magical Ranger to see the complaints on how this ability ruins the &quot;suspension of disbelief&quot; or that ability does not make sense because of situation A, or what about factor B when C happens.&nbsp; Without a host provisos, or even complicated subsystems to at least approximate 'real world' conditions and physics, these grievances always seem to arise.&nbsp; Much easier to just hand out a limited, thematic spell list and just use the 'it's magic' hand wave and be done with it.&nbsp; But I digress on your digression.&nbsp;&nbsp; agreed.&nbsp; Maybe a return to 1e and require a rogue/Druid/Fighter mulit-class?&nbsp; Or some of the multiclass like feats?&nbsp; Possibly with a certain background?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gadget, post: 6599861, member: 23716"] Thank you for the reminder, it's been a while. Yes I see your point, but the AD&D system is unquestionably more convoluted, and--depending on the stat--some of the benefits at certain levels are questionable. For better or for worse, 5e (and d20 D&D before it), has chosen a more streamlined system. If they really wanted to, they could have made your ability score reduced to just the bonus (+1, +2...) and nothing would be lost (I think the True d20 system did so a while back); but not using the 3-18 ability score system would have made it "Not D&D". The point is that it doesn't matter if you have an odd ability score or an even one, taking an ability enhancement at level up increases you bonus by one. The only difference being that if you subsequently take a feat that gives you +1 ability score plus some other benefit, the odd ability score guy had his bonus increase again, while the even one did not. But the odd ability score "cost" more for point buy (if you were to use point buy), so there is that. Sound interesting, but multiclassing can be very tricky to get right, as 3e's à la carte multiclassing showed. I agree with you in that I don't care for this style of implementation, it feels to me like trying to smash together a point buy and class based system, two things that are fundamentally different. One thing I do like is the pseudo-multiclassing you can do through feats such as magic initiate and ritual caster; enough to give you some flavor and ability of a multiclass without all the headaches that can ensue. There is a lot of truth in what you say. Yet I submit that giving the martial classes abilities with mechanical meat (other than just a +x to hit/damage) in a D&Dish framework is a fraught endeavor. All one needs to do is look at the thread on WOTC's non-magical Ranger to see the complaints on how this ability ruins the "suspension of disbelief" or that ability does not make sense because of situation A, or what about factor B when C happens. Without a host provisos, or even complicated subsystems to at least approximate 'real world' conditions and physics, these grievances always seem to arise. Much easier to just hand out a limited, thematic spell list and just use the 'it's magic' hand wave and be done with it. But I digress on your digression. agreed. Maybe a return to 1e and require a rogue/Druid/Fighter mulit-class? Or some of the multiclass like feats? Possibly with a certain background? [/QUOTE]

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