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<blockquote data-quote="haiiro" data-source="post: 581105" data-attributes="member: 1891">I don't think using the key ability as the basis for determining related skills would work out well. Here's a few examples:- Constitution has only one skill: Concentration.- Intelligence has: Alchemy, which has nothing to do with Forgery, Decipher Script, etc.- Charisma has: Disguise, which has nothing to do with Animal Empathy.That model holds up well in some other cases (Intuit Direction and Wilderness Lore could plausibly be related, and both are Wisdom-based skills, for example) - but falls short in enough instances that I don't think it's that useful.I think the DM's judgment is probably the best arbiter of which skills are and are not related.I think I'm beginning to come back around to the notion that Talented: Concentration &amp; Spellcraft would not be a must-have feat for spellcasters - even arcane spellcasters.Can anyone think of another pairing that would create a must-have feat for a particular class? At present, I can't think of one.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="haiiro, post: 581105, member: 1891"] I don't think using the key ability as the basis for determining related skills would work out well. Here's a few examples: - Constitution has only one skill: Concentration. - Intelligence has: Alchemy, which has nothing to do with Forgery, Decipher Script, etc. - Charisma has: Disguise, which has nothing to do with Animal Empathy. That model holds up well in some other cases (Intuit Direction and Wilderness Lore could plausibly be related, and both are Wisdom-based skills, for example) - but falls short in enough instances that I don't think it's that useful. I think the DM's judgment is probably the best arbiter of which skills are and are not related. I think I'm beginning to come back around to the notion that Talented: Concentration & Spellcraft would not be a must-have feat for spellcasters - even arcane spellcasters. Can anyone think of another pairing that would create a must-have feat for a particular class? At present, I can't think of one. [/QUOTE]

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