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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lobo Lurker" data-source="post: 2473961" data-attributes="member: 25172">Just keep in mind that the more often players have to roll a save vs. Massive Damage, the more often they will fail that save. Say you're 20th Level......Say you have an ajusted Constitution of 25 after magical effects & items...How often do 20th level characters take 45 points of damage?Greatsword +5 (holy, flaming, icy, & shocking) = AVG damage of 29.5 + 16 from strength + 4 from specialization = 49.5That's a normal fighter (str 17) with 5 strength advances, +5 belt of giant's strength, and Bull's Strength. Once you throw Power Attack into the mix, your players will be making Fortitude saves all night long.And what do you do when the 23rd level Liche that they're fighting drops one front-line fighter per round?With a lower Massive Damage Threshold creatures of the UNDEAD type get a significant boost in power (they're immune to such saves).And imagine this. What happens to your mighty dragons when one lucky crit inflicts 42 (mighty comp. longbow +3) points of damage?Empowered and Maximized spells become a lot more powerful as well.</blockquote>