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<blockquote data-quote="DreamChaser" data-source="post: 1338979" data-attributes="member: 1190">Me too.&nbsp; Me tooI think of Charisma as being your strength of spirit or force of self.&nbsp; A charismatic person may have plenty of faults, social, physical, and mental but they are naturally able to influence people (and animals) because others subconciously (or consciously) recognize their spiritual strength and are drawn to it (kinda like a moth to a flame).&nbsp; Being socially adept is not a trait of charisma but rather a trait of good training (Diplomacy skill).&nbsp; A person using diplomacy untrained is relying upon their inner flame to do the work for them since they don't necessarily know the right things to say.&nbsp; A highly trained diplomat can be more effective with the right words than the most charismatic person&nbsp; because natural &quot;draw&quot; can only take you so far.&nbsp; Of course by far most effective are those with both.A sorcerer focuses his magic with his spirit (or his magic is part of his spirit) and so his strength of spirit affects it.A paladin's divine grace is the gift of his deity but he can only use as much as his spirit allows through.A cleric turning undead is using his strength of spirit to reveal as much of his deity's presence as he is able.I like this definition because it makes Charisma something completely objective.&nbsp; No one has the same definition of beauty, some are put off by &quot;glibness&quot;.&nbsp; Some are intensely compassionate toward those with stutters and are likely to be influeced by what they have to say.&nbsp; Strength of spirit, however, is independant of these things.DC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DreamChaser, post: 1338979, member: 1190"] Me too. Me too I think of Charisma as being your strength of spirit or force of self. A charismatic person may have plenty of faults, social, physical, and mental but they are naturally able to influence people (and animals) because others subconciously (or consciously) recognize their spiritual strength and are drawn to it (kinda like a moth to a flame). Being socially adept is not a trait of charisma but rather a trait of good training (Diplomacy skill). A person using diplomacy untrained is relying upon their inner flame to do the work for them since they don't necessarily know the right things to say. A highly trained diplomat can be more effective with the right words than the most charismatic person because natural "draw" can only take you so far. Of course by far most effective are those with both. A sorcerer focuses his magic with his spirit (or his magic is part of his spirit) and so his strength of spirit affects it. A paladin's divine grace is the gift of his deity but he can only use as much as his spirit allows through. A cleric turning undead is using his strength of spirit to reveal as much of his deity's presence as he is able. I like this definition because it makes Charisma something completely objective. No one has the same definition of beauty, some are put off by "glibness". Some are intensely compassionate toward those with stutters and are likely to be influeced by what they have to say. Strength of spirit, however, is independant of these things. DC [/QUOTE]

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